Custody rights

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  1. Jackster

    Jackster New Member

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    With the whole gay marriage thing gaining attention i notice some Democrat claimed that 2 men can bring up children equally as well as a child's biological parents.

    Which makes me wonder. Why if i were a gay man would i have a 50/50 chance of getting custody of child that isnt even mine. Where as a man who is biologically a childs father has much less chance?

    So can men really take the place of women? If so when can we expect the left to take up this custody rights injustice?
     
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    bomac New Member Past Donor

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    Well, this is an easy one to answer. See, you are comparing apples to oranges. Your first example (although the 50/50 chance is wrong) is talking about adopting where people are judged based on their ability to care for children. Your second example is based on your ability to care for your child better than other relatives.

    Your comparison is completely false.
     
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    Jackster New Member

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    If 2 males can care for a child not of their own equally as well as a childs biological parents, where is the difference in care?

    They either can or they cant.

    If they can then when biological parents split there is no logical reason and obviously no evidence that that child is better off with the mother. Therefore custody should be 50/50 as it would be between 2 gay men.

    Oh i see what your saying, the best family unit for a child is their biological parents - 1 man and 1 women. If that cant happen then the next best thing is a stable couple of any kind. Is that even PC? Im not so sure.
     
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    bomac New Member Past Donor

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    Again you ignore that adoption is not the same as a custody disagreement. Again, you ignore that even in adoption, it is not a 50/50 ratio. Again you ignore whether it is one man/one woman, 2 women or 2 men, it is not a 50/50 decision. Custody disputes will be settled based on care of the child, not on the nature of the parents.

    Besides ignoring the above, you can carry on with your non-issue.
     
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    If 2 men adopt a child and then separate, then custody will be rightly be given to who ever provides best care. Its guaranteed one of the males gets custody, hence a 50/50 chance of either male getting custody.

    If a man and women separate then their biological child is almost certain to end up in custody of the women as the statistics show. 83% of women get custody.

    Why the difference? Are straight men less qualified carers?
     
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    bomac New Member Past Donor

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    You really have no idea what 50/50 means. You could say the same stupid thing about lesbian couples. There is no stupid 50/50 chance in custody disputes. The court decides based on care of the child. You are unhappy about court decisions in heterosexual custody disputes. Argue that but it has nothing to do with legal gay marriages.

    Ask the courts why you are not qualified. I can make a decision based on your posts but "that would be bad" (lol)
     
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    If we look at a homosexual relationships as male A and male B then,

    Sometimes Male A wins custody and sometimes Male B wins depending on who can provide best care. Over time Male A would win roughly 50% of the time.

    Straight couple: male wins only 17% of the time.

    So if children are just as well off with 2 men as they are with a heterosexual couple, it would surely mean men are equally as capable as women. Therefore straight men should being seeing as many custody wins as gay men do.

    Ive no reason to ask the courts, i have custody of my kids along with my my wife that we created the old fashioned way. Besides im a firm believer young children do need their mother more, likewise i think kids do better with a man and women as parents, as nature intended. So ive no real problem with the stats, but women might - as the leftists argue sex of parents doesnt matter then i guarantee more men will be using exactly the same material in their custody battles.
     
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    Why is it that the father gets custody only 17%?

    I don't know. That is your real issue and feel free to work on it.

    As far as adoption by straight or gay couples- I think that the argument can be made that any specific homosexual couple is as likely to be good parents as any specific heterosexual couple. I think that all potential adoptive parents should be judged on their merits- potential ability and resources to raise children.

    In general- a child raise by a couple will do better than a child raised by a single parent- simply because the statistics are that the couple will have more financial stability than a single parent- but there are always exceptions.
     
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    Actually it is an interesting point you're trying to make. Custody battle between gay and lesbian couples will be looked at in an objective manner. The same can't really be said between heterosexual couples because a lot of the times they're looking at the woman having given birth so she has more of a say over her children then a man does.

    Now my parents are divorced. My brother and I went to my mom which is good. She was the better parent of the two(sorry dad). Sure we struggled at times but she was the more responsible of my parents. How many men though are given that chance in a legal battle? Their have been times when good fathers have lost out to some nasty women. I personally think straight custody hearings should be given the same kind of equality that gay couples would receive.
     
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    What I see here is the leftist movement to deviate downward and away from the normal man/woman relationship. Leftists already advocate for some 1 1/2 million plus abortions/murders of our unborn per year. Leftists have always complained that we're being over populated, so what better way to stymie population growth (besides the abortion route) then to make it easy for two bone puffers to tie the knot--thus ensuring that no one gets pregnant in the process.
     
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    Cool story bro.
     
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    I was under the impression that now-a-days when a couple breaks up the courts prefer to set a joint-custody arrangement where both parents take turns caring for the child(ren).

    Years ago the courts used to choose one parent or the other and that wasn't fair on the children who loved both parents.

    As for adoption I think the assumption is that the children are up for adoption because their biological parents won't or can't take care of the children, for a variety of reasons.
     
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    More and more of the kids I know are being raised 50/50 by their heterosexual parents. One week one house, another week the other house.
     
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    But Male wins 100% of the time. If Male A can't cook, works 60 hours per week, does no house cleaning, only sees child at bedtime, never has fixed a meal for the child - he generally would get custody less than 50% of the time. Still the decision is made by the court in the best interest of the child not the sex of the parent.
     
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    We have been talking about custody DISPUTES, not cordial agreements.
     

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