Some people say fetuses aren't very developed. But a little panda is ready to come out only 95 days after conception. That's 13 weeks. Let's look at these cute little creatures: So small. They're almost as big as a fetus. Keep in mind everything you're seeing in that video is still within the normal timespan a human pregnancy. They sure do develop fast. This site says that 90 days is within normal range of gestation: http://animals.mom.me/pandas-gestational-period-1937.html Not much is known about the odds of survival for premature born pandas, in part because it's hard to gauge exactly when the pregnancy started, since even when they're ready to come out, panda cubs are only 1/900th the size of their mother. Many times zoos will not even realize the panda is pregnant until just days before birth. Even baby pandas at 130 days can have a high mortality rate.
This is the Abortion Forum, not cuddly panda forum....but not surprised to see an Anti-Choicer comparing women to animals....
It shows there could be a lot of development going on by this point in the pregnancy. Humans of course are a bit more complex animals and take longer to gestate, there's probably more to develop. And of course pandas are ready to come out before their eyes and ears are fully developed.
One of the arguments I've actually heard from pro-choicers is that a humans in their very earliest stages of development aren't all that different from chickens (they showed a chicken embryo side by side next to a human embryo). This of course would apply to pandas as well, probably all the more so since they are closer related.
Does viability actually matter? I'd imagine most of the development progression between the two species is pretty comparable, albeit the panda's lungs develop to a point where they can begin breathing sooner.
Something ironic, if you were to take one of those little panda pups and have them sucked up a vacuum hose and post a video of it, you'd probably be arrested for animal cruelty or violating some endangered species act. But do that to a human fetus inside its mother, nothing.
But this is an argument about developmental state, now you're trying to shift the argument. If you want to have a debate about whether inside the womb is ok, but outside isn't, I'm happy to have that discussion with you. In another thread.
What argument? You posted about pandas ....intending to compare women to animals....which is quite sick...
No, because women are humans who have rights even if you think they should be treated like animals.....
Ok, FoxHastings, but if any pro-choicer tries to compare humans in their fetal stage to animals it's fair game to bring this up, fair?
Uh, DUHHHHHHHH, YOU brought this up first.....YOU started the Off Topic thread about panda gestation . A Pro-Choicer didn't, you did....look at the name on the OP , it's you !!!... ...but not surprised to see an Anti-Choicer comparing women to animals.... There is no point to your OP and this post (other than calling women animals) .. sounds like a petulant child crying about " fair".....no matter who brings it up PANDA GESTATION still has nothing to do with abortion or rights or even fetal development of humans...nothing and you haven't and can't show it does and you can't even use the "Reply" or "Quote" feature... but not surprised to see an Anti-Choicer comparing women to animals....
A 1 year old cat is developmentally equivalent to a human teenager. Clearly we ought to be sending them to school.
Ok, I know that you really never answer inconvenient questions but I have to make this point: WHO said """ fetuses aren't very developed""" ? Were they talking about very young fetuses that haven't developed yet? See, that would explain big people (adults) saying a fetus isn't very developed (yet)... Or were you referring only to your little pandawanda's ?.....then what would it have to do with abortion?? See, any fetus in it's early stages isn't as developed as in it's older stages....a fetus develops, that means it grows....it just does NOT appear one day fully developed. That why the word develop is used.....the fetus develops over time ...it grows and doesn't stay one size.....
