DACA Reform

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Is President Trump correct in reviewing DACA?

  1. Yes, because it curtails overcrowding and employment issues

    3 vote(s)
    27.3%
  2. Yes, DACA is used strategically by many, who use it as a means to remain in country

    5 vote(s)
    45.5%
  3. Yes, immigration is out of control and needs to be curtailed

    5 vote(s)
    45.5%
  4. No, the policy is fine and has helped many

    3 vote(s)
    27.3%
  5. No, America is a nation of immigrants and should remain so

    2 vote(s)
    18.2%
  6. No, America should accept all who come because America is the hope of the world

    1 vote(s)
    9.1%
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  1. AlifQadr

    AlifQadr Well-Known Member

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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    DACA is a failed attempt to curtail the law and violate the Constitution. It should be ended immediately, it should never have been allowed to exist.

    I do not see an option to vote in your poll that fits my views on the matter...
     
  3. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ^^^
    This.
     
  4. Oh Yeah

    Oh Yeah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was thinking the same thing.
     
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    Crawdadr Well-Known Member

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    I say yes but not for your reasons. DACA is unconstitutional and Congress should enact a law that does what it does. Basically I agree with DACA's purpose just not its implementation.
     
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  6. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In a nutshell, you believe we should just have open boarders, screw citizenship then?
     
  7. Crawdadr

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    Not at all, our laws on the books should be followed to the letter. I also think that we should make a new law in order to keep people that our tax payers have paid money to educate within our borders and not enrich our neighbors at our expense.

    (Sorry meant to respond to you)
     
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  8. Just_a_Citizen

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    I got you. You're not saying that the practice DACA started should continue.

    I teeter on whether or not 700k (+?) should be rounded up & given a train ride.

    However, if they're come-upon, bye-bye.

    If the people getting the boot have gone through our education system, above the High School /Trade Degree level, levee a tax on Mexican goods to cover the costs. I'm sure the numbers within that classification, will be tiny.

    If all they've gotten is through High School, screw it. They're just as likely not to be able to read, as our own citizens...

    Outside of the fact, that at least they have the start, or mastery of another language, other than Spanish.
     
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  9. AlifQadr

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    I apologize for not having an option that would suit your view.
     
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    I would do this let the Dreamers stay as naturalized citizens as long as they are educated, working and lawful people after all their parents did this to them but make it Federal Felony on the parent or parents per child brought over or kept in the nation illegally and deport all future children with the parents. Children born here can go with the foreign nationals or stay if they can find legal relatives to take them. After the parent(s) get out of prison.
     
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    No problem, subject matter is more important than poll options. :)
     
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    There was no answer in your poll fitting my feelings. Although I agree in principle with Obama's effort to protect Dreamers through DACA, there would be advantages to having Congress enact it into actual law. So, I support a bipartisan effort to make DACA the law of the land.
     
  13. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Select multiple options.

    It's funner, & makes for great results.
     
  14. Pollycy

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    I voted that 'immigration is out of control'. Too bad one of the choices wasn't, "Illegal aliens need to be stopped by force of LAW. Illegal is illegal, and ALL illegal aliens need to be deported, or, processed for temporary work permits".
     
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    America has been extremely generous to immigrant children through the creation of DACA. That Trump and congress seek to preserve it speaks to the sentiment of everyone involved.

    It kind of gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling inside. This really was a relief for these children. I must say they really care about these children, not something I expected from them.

    It really goes to show that anti-immigrant sentiment is really a minority position among the ruling class.
     
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    If a man robs a bank and gives a hundred thousand dollars to his son, is the son responsible to give it back? Even though he had nothing to do with the robbery? Why of course. That money belongs to other people. Same goes for dreamers. Their parents stole from others, legitimate citizenship by butting in front of the line. They need to leave.
     
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    Thank you. Your simple eloquence, so elegant in its accuracy, is one of the better posts I've seen written about this subject.

    I don't advocate just throwing the 'dreamers' out of the country, but I damned sure don't advocate giving them citizenship, either. They should be given special work permits, good for an extended, but LIMITED period of time. After that time has expired, the work permits could be renewed. But, no welfare, no 'subsidies', no 'grants', no free ANYTHING. They're nothing more or less than illegal aliens, just like their parents, period.

    If they want to work, and pay the appropriate taxes, let them. If they want to whine, bitch, and cry about what their parents did, then too f*cking bad. They need to be forced out of the country... just pack up and get out - NOW.
     
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    Actually I agree with you. As long as they never falsified ID and stayed within the law, let them stay and that should be predicated on deporting the parents that brought them here, and building the wall...stopping illegal immigration cold!
     
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    Instead of a 1,550 mile-long, 30-foot high wall through the most hostile, uninhabitable mountain-desert terrain in North America, I advocate squadrons of armed surveillance drones and miles-long strips of land mines. The cost would be a small fraction of trying to build, maintain, and staff that "wall".

    I've jeeped all over that incredibly difficult country on the Mexican border and believe me, a 'wall' is a very, very bad idea! But, you can 'fly' drones from any military computer terminal, anywhere in the world, in air-conditioned comfort, without having to drive hundreds of miles through the deserts and mountains. And land mines? Well, to say the least, mile upon mile of those things would be a very formidable deterrent to any illegal alien invader -- especially if they are carefully installed.

    [​IMG]."You want a 30-ft. wall?! Through HERE?!" :eekeyes:
     
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    Yeah I always envisioned the wall to be a variety of things.....just so it is impenetrable.
     
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    This is my exact sentiment about all people who are in country due to surreptitious, specious and furtive means. Those who are here through other than legitimate immigration policy need to vacate the country. I am not as lenient as you and others when it comes to the topic of immigration; be they legal or otherwise.
     
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    None of the options reflects my views. I believe that the general goal of DACA is good. It makes little sense to deport law-abiding young people who are either in school or have a high school diploma, and for all practical purposes were raised in this country as Americans. That said, the way it was implemented by an executive order/prosecutorial discretion is wrong, and for that reason, Trump was right to phase it out. I would be supportive of a law that makes the idea of DACA legal.
     
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    what are boarders? Oh, you mean borders (sorry, this is one of my pet peeves).

    This isn't an issue of citizenship, but of immigration. I think our immigration system is very messed up. We make it almost impossible for our closest neighbors to come in legally (not impossible, but it takes a long time, at one time the backlog for qualified legal immigrants from Mexico was over 9 years, meaning that it would take 9 years of waiting to come here legally). I also think we need to harshly punish companies who hire illegals. I think we should have mercy on these Dreamers, but deport their parents.
     
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    Thanks for the GrammarNazi-ism... Been running on like 4 maybe 5 hours of sleep for the better part of a month... I appreciate the catch.

    Let me ask.

    What pray tell, is the goal of legal immigration?

    If it's not citizenship, what the **** is it then?

    But yes, our system is ****ed.

    It would likely be less so, if Globalism wasn't touted as so much goodieness.
     
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    If you're running on little sleep, just sleep, don't post on here.

    There are different goals of legal immigration for different people. My Mom is a naturalized citizen. She lived in the U.S. for over 30 years as a legal resident alien. She had no intention of becoming a citizen until after her second grandchild (and just before her third and fourth). That's not an uncommon thing for immigrants. The thing is, DACA does not offer an avenue for citizenship. That's just the way the rule works.

    Just looked it up on the state department site:
    https://travel.state.gov/content/vi...etin/2018/visa-bulletin-for-october-2017.html

    A Mexican who applied for an F1 visa (for unmarried sons and daughters of U.S. citizens) in March of 1996 (that was during the Clinton Administration) will finally be allowed to come here. That is totally ****ed up, and is a symptom of why we have such immigration problems. That's a wait of over 21 years to come here legally.
     
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