Dad Confronts Warren On Student Loan Forgiveness: ‘Can I Have My Money Back?’

I don't think they are wrong. Anything which interferes with the finely tuned and balanced capitalism we have, is going to be disastrous.

 

See, I don't think so. We have been tweaking capitalism for 120 years. What we have to do is get rid of corporate cronyism capitalism and get back to main street capitalism. When business and corporations were part and parcel of the communities. corporations rarely play the same role in the community that they did in the 50s and 60s when I grew up.

 

Why don't we buy Corvettes for people who use free public transportation?
Why don't we provide meals at five star restaurants for people on "food stamps"?

 

And all the issues certain schools have is fairly unrelated to the funding. Bad students in bad districts come from bad families because there are no families. It’s loads of single Moms. When Republicans question Democrat solutions that always revolve around simply throwing money at the problem, you have to admit it’s not unwarranted.

Just saying inner city schools will perform better if they “bribe” teachers by paying them more, is a common and STUPID solution. It doesn’t work just like saying if we make minimum wage $25 that will solve the woes of low skilled workers. Or if we just eliminate debt that will solve the problem for those in debt. Uuuuum. Nope. Those in debt will immediately go right back into debt again. They won’t magically become responsible. And students with shitty degrees they paid $100k for won’t find work either. For fracks sake some are bitching about $25k debt. You can pay that off over 5 years, if you get a decent job. But not if you go get pregnant before getting married or think you need to lease a BMW. It’s always about just tossing money at the problem. Republicans or anyone have every right to criticize.

And speaking of MASSACHUSETTS, if they can’t pay for anything with the insane taxes they already have, that’s just a lost cause.

Give a stupid person a million dollars doesn’t make them a millionaire. It makes them broke in another year.

 

Because those are not basic human needs. Now a days it seems like some post secondary education is required to flourish in our culture. Just like healthcare.

 

no, In mass your students have to pass the state assesments or you can get fired. If your school fails to meet state assessment testing for three straight years the principal and the entire staff is fired. (teachers in grades that meet test requirements are allowed to use seniority to bump lower seniority teachers in other schools.)

And taxes here are only .4 percent higher than the average in the us. Mass at 10.3% and the nation is 9.9% so to have everyone with heath insurance, and the highest performing schools for that delta is well worth it. https://taxfoundation.org/publications/state-local-tax-burden-rankings/

And no, throwing money just at the teachers is not a solution. I have said many times in the forum that the blame lies with parents much more than the schools. But you are not going to get the best candidates for teachers unless the profession is better paid. right now we are asking people with bachelors degrees to work for 35,000 a year in some states, who the hell is going to work for 35,000- not me or you that is for sure.

 

I can't necessarily argue with that. The problem is in those who think billionaires shouldn't exist.

 

Basic human needs are met by families/familiars.

 

Why don't we go back to corn meal, flour, rice, dry beans, government cheese, peanut butter, powdered milk, sugar, salt, lard, baking soda, canned hams, dill pickles, and slabs of bacon?

 

Good idea. But skip the cheese, meat, lard, and sugar. Stick to canned fish, brown rice, beans, wholemeal flour, peanut butter, olive oil, and pickles. See .. I save the pickles

 

A college education is not a basic human need.

But just for fun, how about you describe how your version of free college would work....
Would it include room and board?
Would it be required to maintain a certain GPA to continue the funding? (if so, how would the testing and grading be policed to prevent fraud?)
Only certain majors, or any major?
How many years? What if a person wants to change majors which extends the time?
Masters? PhDs?
Would online degrees be covered?
Any college of one's choosing?
Would there be qualifiers like SAT scores - or college for all?
If there were qualifiers, would this be the same for all races and ethnic groups?
Any age limitation, or could a 70 year old get funded?
What if a person already had 3 degrees which they paid for, could they get another degree for free?
Could a millionaire's child get free college?
Free college for illegal aliens?
How exactly would it all work?

 

I guarantee that's what I would do if it was up to me. No workie, no choicie. But no damn bacon. Bacon is just too damn extravagant. Replace that with a bag of dried beans or potatoes.

 

Corvettes are pretty much above the basic transport people require and nobody needs Gordon Ramsay cursing in the kitchen as they eat

 

College is above a basic education.

If you want to send other people to college, start a charity. If Bernie supporters are so into providing free stuff for others, they don't need the government to do it. They should all join together, pool their money, and give it away to people who want that money. It is really very simple. But Bernie supporters don't want to use their own money to provide free college, they want control over other people's money. Screw that.

But just to play along, what would be your answers to the questions in post 411?

 

No, I don't see why you have to live at the college to attend there, nor why you have to go full time
2.5. They've policed colleges for years. Once you flunk out you have to pay
All majors, the USA needs everybody
Enough to get a degree, changes not allowed unless the degree is not affected
All up to Ph.d,
Any college that's accredited
If they accept you

Again, the college does that
Same'
Age discrimination is illegal
Yes
Yes
No, there isn't free anything for illegal aliens, that is a myth, even hospital coverage is only until their condition is stabilized. I realize conservatives want us to let acutely sick illegals die in the street but the hospitals find the buzzards at the doors unseemly

No kind of education is a basic need. Education is an investment. Years and years ago we decided the State should invest so that we could have a workforce that could basically read and write. That's paid off pretty well, so now Warren thinks we should upgrade to the digital age, like most of Europe and even some Asian nations are doing already.

 

Plenty of women would quite like to have Gordon swearing at them in the kitchen.

 

Exactly. That's what real socialism does, which is how we know none of them are real socialists.

 

I've never thought of that. I wonder how many women neurotic women fantasize at being in an abusive relationship with a handsome and passionate chef.

I've often thought that the stereotype of the abusive cook is a fiction. You have to be an equanimous person if you work in a profession where your skill with sharp knives is a major component

 

1) Despite the fantasy that 'nice guys with soft hands' win prizes, and its teammate 'women who like manly men are neurotic', males like Ramsay have enormous animal appeal to a very large majority of females. It has nothing to do with abuse - and everything to do with his being tall, fit, a little worn around the edges in a very masculine way (ie, via physical work), totally at ease with himself, not tolerating BS, and being able to cope with huge amounts of responsibility. And the swearing is actually quite endearing .. it's an idiosyncracy that makes him him.

2) Chefs are like little kings.

 

None that I know of but it takes all types to make the world as crazy as it is I guess. Personally I don't find him appealing at all.

Physically he's nothing to write home about but when he opens his mouth?

 

Easy to settle, just allow for tax credits for all tuition paid going back say, 5 years. The guy at 6 years will holler. Make it 10 years then. The guy at 11 will holler, make it lifetime. Game over.

 

Same. He's not my type at all. Just acknowledging that plenty of women find him attractive.

 

I question your idea of "manliness".

Chefs are Artistes, contrary to popular misconception the best artistes are not tyrants but good team managers.

 

Well you would, if it excludes you. If you don't understand what masculine means (in the animal sense), then it's pretty clear you're not strong on same.

Chefs are not 'artistes', they're skilled tradespeople. No different to carpenters, or bakers, or barbers.