DAMNED if we do. DAMNED if we Don't.

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  1. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/50704/love-me-or-hate-me-you-have-vote-me-trump-tells-joseph-curl

    ‘Love Me Or Hate Me, You Have To Vote For Me’: Trump Tells Voters They Have ‘No Choice’


    From the Article, (in case you missed him saying it live...):

    ---See, the bottom line is, I know you like me — and this room is a lovefest, I know that — but you have no choice but to vote for me because your 401(k)s? Down the tubes. Everything's going to be down the tubes," Trump said.---

    So, the Global Environment is ****ed, and we're all going to die, if Trump wins.

    So, the Global Economy is going to be completely ****ed, and we're all going to die, if Trump loses.

    Extremism Politics.

    Here to stay. 1523212417donald-trump-head-kiss-png.png
     
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    Well, I'm not voting for a Democrat. That is a certainty and a promise.
     
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  3. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, I grabbed me some Johnson last time, because I couldn't vote for pond scum.

    This first term so far, Trump, along with the completely unhinged actions and stands of the Left, have swayed me into likely voting Trump 2020.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Extremism politics, that depends on whom the Democrats nominate. They certainly have a few extremist among the announced bunch.
     
  5. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The moderate D's have vanished or will soon.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Quite a lot of the more moderate, willing to work across the aisle Democrats did vanish with all the blue dogs going down to defeat in 2010. One moderate has already withdrawn, Hickenlooper.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right, like I Saud, really no moderates left running for POTUS, and those who remain in the party are being run out quickly.
     
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    It is just like the last election for president you can either chose a shyt sandwich or a turdwich...
     
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  9. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Worse.

    Last time there was a 3rd choice openly offered that was essentially viable.
     
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    Moonglow Well-Known Member

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    I had no choice since a corporate pig ran for president in the Green Party.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's seems these days the Democrats require a litmus test. First to go was the big tent Democratic Party. Back in those days they had their liberal and conservative wings. Finally expelling any and all conservatives. Now it's the moderates that are being expelled. You can see where the big tent Democratic Party had an average of 45% of the electorate identifying with them. Then when the Democrat Party became a coalition of moderates and liberal that dropped to an average of 35%. Today it is mostly what they term progressives which according to Gallup has now dropped those who affiliate themselves with the democratic party down below 30%.

    https://www.people-press.org/interactives/party-id-trend/
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I vote based on the following priorities:

    1- Protect Gun Rights
    2a- Protect Free Speech
    2b- Protect Private Property (private ownership of resource, aka capitalism)
    2c- Protect Free Association
    3- Cannabis legalization

    If Trump passes red flag laws or bans semi-auto, he fails number one and I vote for anyone who is likely to halt or reverse gun control, including a liberal progressive democrat socialist/collectivist (should one supporting gun rights ever actually run...)
    If Trump passes above stated gun laws or similar but remains consistent on the other issues while the other candidates push for gun control and collectivism, I'll have to go with the lesser evil- Trump.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm gonna think about single issue voting.

    Cannabis legalization.

    I mean it works out great for 2a & Abortion folks.
     
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  14. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I always thought we'd go multi party.

    Looks more now, like centrist and conservative D's are just being forced into the GOP.

    Guess since the left plans to allow non-citizens and minors the vote, they will just replace those lost to the GOP.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I forgot about that one. Edited my comment to include as my #3 priority
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We PoTheads tend to forget the **** ain't legal!
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its Iegal here (WA). I don't partake, but I do forget its still an issue.
     
  18. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Federal legalization is what matters brother.

    Otherwise it's 35 (to date) Free Zones of one type or other.
     
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    I can vote for a Republican.

    I can vote for a Democrat.

    It is a certainty I will never vote for Trump.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not really, if you check the Republican Party share of the Electorate ranged from roughly 25-30% since Eisenhower and that is where they are today. It is independents that has seen the dynamic rise. From 30% of the electorate to 42% today. Most Americans do want a viable third party.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/244094...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

    Now that is harder to realize since Republicans and Democrats write our election laws and they do so as a mutual protection act. If there is one thing both major parties agree on, it's no viable third party will ever rise. Then there is the financial aspect, corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, special interests, mega money donors give each party tens of millions of dollars for their campaigns and organization. None to third parties. The two major parties even took away the presidential debates from the League of Woman's voters because they, the League had the audacity to allow Perot to participate. Never again will we see an independent or a third party candidate in any future presidential debate.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And that is very disheartening.

    When I was a Yoot, after the launch of the net, I'd had dreams of it actually helping to bring forth the possibility of more viable parties, or change to the System in some meaningful and positive way.

    Then, human nature.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    That's basically me. **** the issues, whoever is not Trump has my vote, Even if we agreed on everything it wouldn't matter as Trump lies about everything anyway.
     
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    You mean McAfee? Unfortunately the LP nominated an authoritarian Dem-in-sheeps-clothing instead. "I would force the Jewish baker to bake a Nazi cake".
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. Johnson.
     
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    Oh, you think the authoritarian libertarian was viable?
     

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