Discussion in 'Media & Commentators' started by APACHERAT, Mar 29, 2018.
"the Constitution is just a godd@mn piece of paper"
~ Republican Bush
I am from the same generation.
We didn't go around shooting in school but the pols started a major war in Vietnam and killed more youths than are killed today in schools or wherever.
I will never forget that Democrats sent us (me) to a exotic, distant land to meet exciting, unusual people and kill them.
And while on the battlefield those same Democrats back stabbed us.
REPUBLICAN Bush? like there is any difference in the corrupt two party system? Like you seriously think Obama believed inb the constitution? comedy gold.LOL
If you think that backstabbing is fighting against an immoral war then so be it. Luckily we were able to stop at about 60,000 Americans killed. What did we accomplish? You were sent there to die for nothing. Did you volunteer
There is the most disgusting picture online. Some right wing ******* is shooting at a target and the target is Hogg’s face. Yep, we need people like that with guns,,,what a man!
I was a draft dodger, I enlisted (volunteered) like most who served during the Vietnam War era. 40% of all males of military age (65-73) served.
8 million served on active duty and 2 million is the reserves or the Guard while 6 million student deferments were issued.
The War in Vietnam wasn't immoral, we should have never been there in the first place but JFK and LBJ and the "young and brightest" who they surrounded themselves with ignored their elders and saw things differently.
The Vietnam War could have been won and brought to an end in 1965 and again in 1968 and 1969.
It was the anti war movement on the streets of America that prolonged the war. Remember that the leadership of the counter culture movement and the anti war movement got their marching orders from the Kremlin. The left in America wasn't against the Vietnam War but were against America or the RVN winning the war.
Thank goodness the anti war movement stopped the war, “soldiers weren’t sacred and civilians weren’t the enemies”
My husband served and then became an anti war activist...he was gung ho and then realized the war was wrong.
Tell me, what did we lose other than 60,000 dead soldiers and hundreds of thousands of wounded and damaged young men and women?what would we have gained if we lost more people?
Did you serve in Vietnam?
June 69 to July 70.
1/13; 1/26; 2/26; Sub Unit One 1st ANGLICO
Tell your husband I said "Welcome Home."
Did your husband at the time know that his leaders of the anti war movement got their marching orders from the Kremlin ?
After Tet of 68 North Vietnam was about to throw in the towel but they looked at the anti war movement on the streets of America and decided to keep fighting on.
The anti war movement prolonged the war in Vietnam.
Remember, the SDS weren't against the Vietnam War...they were against the United States and the RVN winning the war.
What did we lose by pulling out? We went to Vietnam recently and they seem to be doing fine. What is it you were fighting for?
You should watch the ken burns series on Vietnam . Macnamara said the war was not winnable ....
The leaders of the anti war movement didn’t get marching orders from the kremlin, stop being ridiculous.....wasnt hundreds of thousand dead and maimed Americans enough for you?
Ken Burns got it wrong with his "Civil War" PC revisionism and he did it again with his Vietnam War series.
Every Vietnam vet can point out something where Ken Burns got it wrong. Liberals usually get history wrong since they adopted cultural-marxisn revisionist history.
Not once...not once did Ken Burns mentioned SEATO. Just about every adolescence, teenager and adult between 1961 to 1966 heard of SEATO which made America and it's SEATO allies involvement in Southeast Asia legal.
Burns only mentioned once that JFK cut off most funding for Eisenhower secret war in Laos back in 1961 and defended JFK's signing off on the CIA backed military coups of regime change in 1963 that backed fire and from that day America owned South Vietnam and became America's problem.
The world watched...If SEATO failed NATO was likely to fail.
Burns never mentioned that.
You still haven’t answered my question. What would we have gained had we not gone into Vietnam other than hundreds of thousands not killed or maimed
You want to glorify a war and I found it despicable. Mai lai was an example....we shouldNt have been there, I understand that you need to justify it but those who were fighting to end it were not your enemies.
Okay here you are contradicting yourself here. You said the war in vietnam was not immoral which is a laugh in itself because what you said here that is spot on is we never should have been there in the first place.
Oh and JFK was against the war.Its documented that he wanted no part of it but he had to wait until his second term to do so because he would lose support from the american people if he pulled out his first term.
any serious researcher knows the CIA killed JFK because he was going to pull out of the war by the end of 1965. Thats all been documented in the release of files where he signed NSM # 63 two months before his assassinaion that called for a complete withdrawal from vietnam by 1965/ two days after his assassination,Johnson signed document NSM # 273 that REVERSED kennedys policy on vietnam. Please stop holding back the facts.
Johnson and Nixon murdered 58,0000 americans,it wasnt the vietcong or the NVA.it was those two a$$ jerk bastards.
we would have gained nothing,it was done for pure profit,thats what war is all about. Eisenhower tried to warn the people of how dangerous the military industrial complex was that Kennedy was battling in his farewell address speech,too bad they did not listen.
You're knowledge of the Vietnam War is revisionist history.
Before March of 1962 there was no MACV in Vietnam. Before MACV there was MAAG that was actually under the control of the U.S. State Department and the CIA.
On the morning of January 20th, 1961 outgoing President Eisenhower warned incoming President John F. Kennedy do not get involved with the Diem regime, it was to corrupt and don't make a stand at the 17th parallel if you are going to try to stop Communist expansion in Southeast Asia. That can only be done in Laos by preventing North Vietnam access to what would become known as a Ho Chi Minh Trail.
uh EVERYTHING i said is factual evidence that you obviously have no interest in knowing about. This book here has NEVER been debunked and takes the people like you who think you know it all to school.this author spent THOUSANDS of hours pouring over released documents in the archives,if you want to continue to be ignorant and ignore the facts thats your problem.
American Tragedy is the first book to draw on complete official documentation to tell the full story of how we became involved in Vietnam--and the story it tells decisively challenges widely held assumptions about the roles of Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson. Using an enormous range of source materials from these administrations, Kaiser shows how the policies that led to the war were developed during Eisenhower's tenure and nearly implemented in the closing days of his administration in response to a crisis in Laos; how Kennedy immediately reversed course on Laos and refused for three years to follow recommendations for military action in Southeast Asia; and how Eisenhower's policies reemerged in the military intervention mounted by the Johnson administration. As he places these findings in the context of the Cold War and broader American objectives, Kaiser offers the best analysis to date of the actual beginnings of the war in Vietnam, the impact of the American advisory mission from 1962 through 1965, and the initial strategy of General Westmoreland.
A deft re-creation of the deliberations, actions, and deceptions that brought two decades of post-World War II confidence to an ignominious end, American Tragedy offers unparalleled insight into the Vietnam War at home and abroad--and into American foreign policy in the 1960s.
there is also THIS excellent link as well that documents it all and takes you sir to school.LOL
Kennedy continued to resist all attempts to persuade him to send troops to Vietnam. His policy was reinforced by the Bay of Pigs operation. Kennedy told his assistant secretary of state, Roger Hilsman: “The Bay of Pigs has taught me a number of things. One is not to trust generals or the CIA, and the second is that if the American people do not want to use American troops to remove a Communist regime 90 miles away from our coast, how can I ask them to use troops to remove a Communist regime 9,000 miles away? (12)
JOHNSON sent in the COMBAT troops charlie,not JFK,FACT not revision charlie.deal with it.LOL
I've read the book.
David Kaiser only opined to defend the Kennedy legacy.
It's revisionism based upon the "theories" of William Strauss and Neil Howe.
]You still haven’t answered my question. What would we have gained had we not gone into Vietnam other than hundreds of thousands not killed or maimed
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