Deal reached on avoiding government shutdown

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  1. perotista

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    It depends on how you view this very partisan issue. 40% of all Americans are for the Wall, 45% against. 82% of Republicans want the Wall, 83% of Democrats oppose or don't want the wall. You can't get more partisan than that. I don't think stating Americans don't want the wall is accurate since it is a plurality of Americans who don't want it, not a majority.

    We know Republicans want it, Democrats don't. Now how about independents? The non-affiliated, those who aren't either Republicans nor Democrats. Certainly those who are a lot less partisan to perhaps non-partisans. Independents who make up 40% of the electorate. How do the non-partisan's feel about the wall? Those who aren't avid pro or anti Trump? Question 33 answers that.

    Independents for the Wall 39%
    Independents against the Wall 38%
    Independents in the don't know, undecided or just plain don't give a dang 24%.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/er2vitqfsn/econTabReport.pdf

    The truth is neither side can say Americans want the wall or say Americans don't want the wall. Stating congress doesn't want it isn't accurate either. The Democratic House doesn't want it for sure, the Republican senate does.

    The truth as I see it, the Democrats are trying to deny Trump his wall only because Trump wants it. The Republicans are trying to give Trump his wall only because Trump wants it. This is nothing more than a political partisan game being played between two ultra partisan sides. I don't think either side has given the country as a whole a thought or if security at the border would be enhanced or not. Just another example of highly partisan politics which is ruining this country. Neither very partisan side cares about that either. It's all about being either pro or anti Trump.
     
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    Are you scared?
     
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    Criminals dig tunnels because they have to not because they want to
     
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    All of this is based on polling data which is just liberal voodoo

    Republicans in congress need to stop cowering in a corner and do their job
     
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    Of seeing America overrun by migrant illegal aliens?

    Yes
     
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    Its a political win for Trump. Pelosi and Schumer said not one dime. Demos caved.

    Plus Demos want to reduce the beds in detention centers. They don't want children to have beds. Sleep on the floor. Repubs need to hit that message hard.
     
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    I see the republican swamp rats in the senate weakening

    And that worries me
     
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    It is their preferred method, because it minimizes the risk, although most drugs are still brought in via legal ports of entry.
     
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    I have the official numbers, while you have nothing.
     
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    No one with an ounce of intelligence orefers digging a tunnel instead of nust walking the distance on the surface

    Which they cant do when the trump wall is blocking them
     
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    What official numbers?

    No one can say how many illegal aliens slipped through undetected
     
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    Yep there are 6 Surrender Repubs that wont support the Emergency.
     
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    The Democrats are setting up their platform for 2020, MS-13 aren't so bad, illegal aliens and having open borders are more important than federal workers and Americans on food stamps.

    The Democratic party has been weak on crime and national security (military) since the 1970's and now they are weak on America's sovereignty and border security.

    Or maybe it's just TDS and right out obstructionism ?
     
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    Oh, come on.

    "overrun"?
     
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    So, border crossings down to historic lows due to a number of factors, but it's now a "national emergency"?

    And, the response to an emergency is to construct barriers over several years?

    LOL!
     
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    Bollard barrier. Like the little concrete posts in front of a 7-11. That'll stop 'em...
     
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    Well, they have that choice today since most of the border does not have a wall.

    If you want to go unseen, you'd opt for house-to-house tunnels.
     
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    Official numbers are those provides by US officials. Duh...!
     
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    The reality of the situation is that Republicans can't do anything without the Democratic House going along with it. Neither can the Republican senate do anything without the approval of the Democratic House. That means compromise or in plain English, working with the other side. Neither side can accomplish a thing on its own.

    In politics, national politics, what can or can't be done is determined by the numbers. I don't mean poll numbers either, although they give you a pretty good idea where America as a whole stands. I mean numbers in congress. It take 218 votes to pass anything in the House. The Democrats with 240 can pass whatever they want, Republicans in the House will always need 23 Democrats to go along with them. In the senate, Republicans have 53 to the Democrats 47. Meaning the Democrats will need at least 4 Republicans to go along with whatever they propose. For Republicans 53 is enough to pass whatever they want. That is unless the Democrats decide to filibuster in which case the Republicans will need 7 Democratic votes for cloture. Each party has to rely to a certain extent on the other.

    It is impossible to go it alone. Compromise and work together, things can get accomplished. Stand your ground, fail to work with the other party, no compromise, nothing gets done. Numbers. Neither party can govern by itself. That is the reality of the situation. Republicans in congress can't do a thing without help from at least some Democrats, Democrats in congress can't do a thing without help from at least some Republicans.

    Hard core partisan ideologues never take the numbers into account.
     
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    Yes

    40 million illegals added to the estimated 30million already here will be a national diaster
     
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    You just gotta love how the right-wingers ignored this post.
     
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    The numbers are up. Look up the Princeton Policy research. You know MO's alma mater.

    Still it must really got you into the poutage mode that the Demos caved and gave Trump the political win, huh.

    But now the Demos need to be questioned as to why they would take away beds from children and make them sleep on the floor. They made a big deal about Children and now want to screw children over. Whats up with that.? Why would the Demos take their Trump frustrations out on innocent illegal immigrant children. LMAO.
     
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    The left still has no comprehension of that word "peaceably."

    A liberal's poem to help to pay for the base of the Statue of Liberty.

    The Statue of Liberty has no freaking thing to do with immigration.

    In fact the Statue of Liberty was a message to the world to look at America as an example and you to can also become like America by staying home and fixing your own problems and not bringing your problems to America.
     
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    The fascist trumpettes in this thread are disappointed that the rule of law and Constitution have thwarted their imperial designs. They just can't deal with the fact that they can't dictate to the majority. Their racist, bigoted values are being rejected right and left and their frantic attempts to demonize everything from liberals to immigrants is alienating not just their own center-right, but all the independent swing voters. Soon their desperate power grab will look like the flailing of spoiled infants, crying when the adults tell them "NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BECAUSE YOU'LL HURT YOURSELF OR SOMEONE ELSE WITH IT !".

    Maybe one day, they will grow up. Then again, maybe not.
     
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    No one can say how illegals slipped through unseen
     

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