Dear Daddy. How sexist jokes can promote violence against women women

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Which underscores the normalisation of name calling in relation to women

    Self validation of judgemental attitudes
     
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    We aren’t asking to be told “how great we are” we are asking NOT to be the but of “jokes” and sexist slurs
     
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    no it's about the demeaning of men and boys.
    Yes you tell boys and men their rapists enough they will start acting that way.

    I don't know why you think that women were the only people that matter.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, that video is trying to conflate name calling and microaggressions with rape and physical abuse.
     
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    Don't ask the men that don't make you the butt of jokes then. Go talk to the ones doing it.

    It's amazing how myopic you really are. You called girls sluts enough, they'll become sluts because it's a self fulfilling prophecy. But if you accuse poison men of permitting this culture all the time like you do that somehow is it going to do the same thing.

    The amount of apocracy coming out of you is astounding.
     
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    Then you should speak up against such language.

    As men we have a legal right and a moral duty to speak up against the persuasive culture of male-bashing and man-hating. We care about all issues in the World, but if we do not address male-bashing and man-hating no one will.
     
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    I agree 100%. That is why we must take a stand against male-bashing which saturates our culture. "boys are stupid -- throw rocks at them" "men are trash"

    We greatly appreciate the help of any woman who stands for men, but most of work needs to be done by men. Then we can concentrate on other issues.
     
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    Definitely, the constant male-bashing experienced by men is a psychological torture inflicted on us

    -- men are trash
    -- men are rapists
    -- boys are stupid

    We are grateful to women like Bettina Arndt and Karen Straughan who defend men. But men have legal right and moral duty to speak for issues affecting them.
     
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    I would say it's worse than torture it's a self fulfilling prophecy, if young men think they are going to be persecuted as a rapist, there is no motivation not to be one.
    Indeed. Some think that because men face issues that are exclusive to them that necessarily blames women's movements.

    No idea what makes people say this
     
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    Frankenstein by Mary Shelly is a masterpiece.

    If a man was constantly criticizing his wife in the way all men are criticises by EAP (abbreviation for Mainstream Media), hewould be convicted of abuse.
     
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    What fragile people this world makes if being called names is so crippling. This is something I would call a first world problem.
     
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    One problem with understanding each other is that our own thought patterns, prejudices, biases, and accepted premises, greatly influence our understanding of each other's posts.One has to take this factors into consideration when posting. Not every interpretation you don't like is a strawman, or an attack.

    However, your reaction only strengthened my point - words have power. One rather innocent (no insults, no swearing, no serious accusations) sentence from one person you don't know, one person you'll probably never meet, one person who is not a member of your social group, one person who is not even a member of your nation, one person you can easily put on an ignore list and forget about in a couple days - just this one sentence had you up in arms all defensive and bristling. Now imagine you have to put up with real offensive sentences from real people you see everyday, and every one of them is stronger and better positioned on the social scale than you are. How would you deal with it?

    Boys need a male role model - if not their own father, then other males. Of course mothers play a very important role too, they can help build character or totally destroy it, but the point of the topic is that men are not aware of the role they play in demeaning women - some of which are their own daughters - and encouraging violence against them.

    There are other factors involved, like the need to belong to a group. Some boys, even though not mean and violent themselves. will play the part only to be accepted in a group. Young boys can be every bit as vulnerable and distressed as girls, but the accepted norm is that boys must be stronger so the emotionally and physically weak often feel compelled to behave like thugs.

    It's not like all men teach their boys to be mean and violent, however not enough is being done to fight against such attitudes.

    You could argue that mothers teach their boys to be mean and violent, and some really do, but again, this topic is about daughters pleading with their fathers.

    This topic is about young girls, children and teenagers. Yes, they are vulnerable. So are young boys.

    We're not talking about one boy insulting a girl once in a lifetime. The topic is about daily abuse in places where those girls spend the greater part of their time, like schools, from people they are forced to meet every day. The Chinese water torture.

    I do what I can in my corner of the world. I can't fix everything everywhere.
     
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    I'd say that taking attitude against a culture that teaches boys to become mean, violent men, is in fact standing for men - real men, the kind that value family, intimacy, productive lives. Women need partners, not chest thumping gorillas. Men need partners, not frightened abused insecure rags.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause::applause:
     
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    And yet the psychological imperative that is self fullfilling prophesy is very well recognised and studied

    Words have power
     
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    You asked me if I said something I clearly didn't say. My post was written in plain English there was no deciphering necessary. I don't use hidden meanings or metaphor I speak straight forward.
    you assume emotional states based on things I did not say again a straw man.

    I find intellectual dishonesty irritating.


    I don't take offense.



    first give evidence for this role that they play.
    underscoring the importance of family. An institution that is being destroyed. All I can tell you is enjoy the decline.

    50% of marriages end in divorce fathers are removed from the home by the courts.

    Seems they should be pleading with their mothers fathers to stick it out. Swallow your pride reconcile your differences seek therapy. And with the legal system to back off.

    but it's okay you can blame then we're tough enough To take It.



    yes to some really nasty things not just name-calling.

    Having a broken or disrupted homelife makes it exponentially worse.

    So why focus on men if you really care about the problem?

    if you are too fragile for the world I am sorry but you will have to deal with people but you are forced to meet everyday and if life is Chinese water torture for you you have my sympathy.



    I would think it would be more important to try and make your home as stable as you can for your child, care for them enough not to banish their father from their life, I guess that means admitting you're wrong from time to time.

    Relationships are difficult life is difficult. If you need it to be made easy for you you will be devoured. The world is not safe and it cannot be made safe. The best you can do for your child is prepare them for it.
     
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    And somehow boys and men are impervious because there are equipment that only exists to serve women.

    When will you stop objectifying males as utilities for your own whims?

    Yeah I know because I point out the duality of feminism and it's self-centeredness I'm a misogynist. So if I'm just automatically categorized as a misogynist for not agreeing with this malarkey, why in the hell should I care?

    you can lecture me all you wish tell me how wrong I am, call me a misogynist whatever you want. Fine if agreeing with this ever self-deprecating never ending self-flagellation is the only way I can be considered not a misogynist, no thanks.


    so does silence, and it is deafening.
     
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    For men, many issues take priority

    -- protecting their sons (and daughters) from maternal abuse
    -- ending male bashing
    -- protection for male victims of Domestic Violence

    to name a few.
     
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    I agree 100% with what you have written. But it also applies to the constant male-bashing in our culture. Males have to put up with daily abuse like

    -- men are trash
    -- boys are stupid
    -- men are potential rapists

    Respect can exist only if it is reciprocal. Otherwise it is subservience.

    How can boys respect a girl who frequently calls all males trash?
     
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    You walk away after making it clear they are dismissed and not welcome back. If by chance they do not get the hint then you make it undeniably clear....usually a deep insult does the trick.
     
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    Women can be not only as mean and violent as men, but even more, in a passive aggressive way. Their behavior goes mostly unnoticed, but the violent reactions of people hurt by such attitude incur punishments. Men usually have the advantage of physical strength and they naturally tend to act on it, while women are better at being passive aggressive and they naturally tend to act on it. In a society based on man vs woman false dichotomy, as our societies still are, those differences lead to accusations, to misunderstandings, to violent reactions, to demeaning attitudes on both sides. Physical strength scares women, psychological games scare men.

    Men and women are indeed different, but we should teach our children that we are different in a complementary - not a conflicting - way.
     
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    I agree 100%.

    Men and women generally have unique strengths and weaknesses, but all people have innate value and worth.

    All Humans are Created Equal.
     
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    I absolutely agree with this. I reject this dichotomy of women against men.
     
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    Dearest daughter,

    You have no reason to worry because mother and I love you very much and we will not raise you to be a slut nor will we raise you to be a fragile, self-pittying coward.

    Hugs and kisses,
    Daddy

    PS. This video is close to five years old now and I am sure I already had a thread about it at the time it was relevant.
     
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    How about sexist jokes about men?
     

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