Dear Daddy. How sexist jokes can promote violence against women women

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Perhaps women should want them to and make sure if they are to create a child it's with one who will.
     
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    Bowerbird said:
    Perhaps “Dear Daddy” should start by hanging around to support thier kids

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    Once again, blaming women for what men do.

    You think all women don't want their husbands to stay??

    You think it's a woman's responsibility to KNOW what the father of her children will do in the future?

    You don't think the father has any responsibility at all??
     
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  3. Ritter

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    Yes, it is the responsibility of both the woman and the man in a relationship to talk with each other in order to get to know each other so that they are both sure that they share the long term goals and moral-ethic ground that a serious, lifelong relationship requires.

    It is not exactly rocket science.
     
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    Once again, blaming women for what men do.

    You think all women don't want their husbands to stay??

    You think it's a woman's responsibility to KNOW what the father of her children will do in the future?

    You don't think the father has any responsibility at all??





    You didn't answer any of my questions, not even the one you quoted : """You think it's a woman's responsibility to KNOW what the father of her children will do in the future?""


    Most people get married and actually mean the vows they take.....so why do 50% of marriages end in divorce?
    Well, they didn't plan that did they?

    NO one knows what will happen in the future...certainly YOU don't...


    Why should women have ESP or second sight to determine what men will do?

    NO, the comment
    """"Bluesguy said:
    Perhaps women should want them to and make sure if they are to create a child it's with one who will."""

    definitely was blaming women for what men do...…



    Can't men accept personal responsibility for their own actions?? Are they so weak?
     
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    No. Do you?

    Not only. It is also the father's responsibility to know what the mother of his children will do in the future.

    CItation needed.

    I did.

    No and exactly that is the problem - people do not plan.

    I am a child of divorce.

    Are you kidding me?
     
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  6. Bluesguy

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    Once again absolving women of everything and blaming men for everything.
     
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    No refutation of anything I posted and why would I need a "citation" for asking you a question ???????????

    The question was :You don't think the father has any responsibility at all??

    (The little squiggly things at the end of sentences are question marks)

    You forgot one ;):

    Can't men accept personal responsibility for their own actions?? Are they so weak?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Bowerbird said:
    Perhaps “Dear Daddy” should start by hanging around to support thier kids

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    Once again, blaming women for what men do.

    You think all women don't want their husbands to stay??

    You think it's a woman's responsibility to KNOW what the father of her children will do in the future? I noted the other day the 18 year in the homeless shelter who arraigned to get sperm from this guy who says he has father 50 babies for single women.

    You don't think the father has any responsibility at all??




    Once again no refutation of a word of my post nor ability to answer my questions.


    NO where in that post did I absolve women of anything and blame men for everything...AND YOU CANNOT PROVE I DID :)
     
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    An interesting premise, so I was curious whether anyone had done a study, and it turns out, someone has! And in fact, sexist jokes can promote violence against women. However, there's an important caveat, and that is that such jokes ONLY affect men who already hold tolerant views of domestic abuse. Men who don't hold such views are not affected by sexist jokes. So the problem isn't really sexist jokes, the problem is domestically violent men. Whodathunkit.

    "The researchers then proposed to them several scenes with different cases of battering against women, from minor to serious attacks, to ask them how they would react in these kind of situations.

    The study showed that those who had listened to sexist jokes were much more tolerant to female battering than those who had not.

    However, the researchers warned that those individuals affected by sexist humour showed a previous tendency to tolerate violence against women, said a Granada release."

    http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...courage-violence-against-women_100213368.html
     
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    If you actually read my post instead of going full autopilot, you would not feel the reason to ask that "question" (I put it in quotations because it was an obvious attempt of flamebait) in the first place.

    Condoscending language, how mature.

    Did you read what I wrote?
     
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    Ya, and laughed...
     
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    I think it is an excellent message...for both boys and girls. It is every bit as valuable for the boys - that they be taught not to make those jokes. If they want to grow up and be in healthy and happy relationships, they should be taught that calling a girl a slut - even in jest - harms them as much as it does the girl. If they are cheered on by other boys for doing so, they are learning that it's okay to make those kinds of jokes. But, as they get older, they may find themselves in a bad situation for doing so...a boss, another male or someone in a position of more power might make their lives a whole lot harder, just because they made a harmless joke.

    Women are not fragile flowers - they do not need to be protected. And that is not the message of the video. Overall, it is a message about the long term consequences of seemingly harmless teasing at a very impressionable age. How can anyone object to that?
     
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    If women are not fragile flowers and don't need to be protected, why do they need to be protected from the long-term consequences of seemingly harmless teasing? You're not being consistent here.

    The long-term effects of social rejection at an early age can indeed be severely damaging... take a look at me for a vivid example. However, simple teasing is not social rejection, and can in fact help children to develop a thicker skin. I think the problems we have with political correctness and safe spaces and microaggressions all stem from the fact that these kids have grown up without ever having had their precious fee-fees getting hurt. No one has told these kids that when they get out into the real adult world, no one's going to give a **** about their little fee-fees. No one has told them that other people's rights are not dependent on their subjective feelings. Some of the most annoying people to be around are those with eggshell feelings, that you feel like you are walking on eggshells with them all the time, afraid of upsetting them over some innocent comment that you made. Some of the most pleasant people to be around are those who insult you in a good-natured way, because you know they can take it and you can let loose with whatever insults you feel like delivering, because they aren't going to take it personally. Which kind of people are liberals creating? The eggshell people.
     
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    Why is the song “Put another log on the fire” running through my head as I read this?
     
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    Can you think of any insult to young boys that would have the same impact as the term “slut”?
     
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    Boys and girls have different bullying tactics. The fact that more school-boys than school-girls commit suicide kind of tells that there are things that boys have to endure that are much worse than an insult.

    Just saying.

    Anyways. If you have ever been on the receiving end of bullying, you would not even find the need to ask this question as it is something that is relativising and quantifying a very serious issue that is always as bad no matter what shape it takes and no matter what the genders of the victims and perpetrators are.

    Judging from my school experiences, girls were mostly called "sluts" by other girls and it was exclusively girls who spread rumours about other girls being "whores" to the rest of the school. The clip is making a non-gendered issue gendered just to advance their own ideology - They are taking advantage of bullying (and even the monstrosity that is rape) and its victims by standing on the people who suffer to place themselves on the high horses of morality.

    I don't like that.
     
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    Maybe girls are just tougher….looks like it....
     
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    That might indeed be the case. Quite frankly, I am no longer five years old and the whole thing about "girls having cooties" and "boys beeing bester" are things I grew out of the day I turned eight.
     
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    I know you didn't ask me, but I do have thoughts on the matter.

    I think that calling boys names that emasculate them (or are designed to emasculate them) can cause similar damage.
     
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    I really think gender is completely irrelevant to the matter since the level of damage is all due to how persistent the bullying is, what kind of personality type the victim has and what the victim's social life and relationships outside of school look like.
     
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    Could be but why aren't boys( or men) who have lots of sex not called sluts? Historically they've been admired yet women have been shamed for having a lot of sex.
     
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    Having "lots of sex" is not slutty, but having "lots of" different sexual partners is.
     
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    Whole different kettle of fish there!
     
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    Who says? And why?
     
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    Well, would you want a guy who has had 30+ sexual partners as your boyfriend?
     

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