Death tax

Discussion in 'Budget & Taxes' started by trickyricky, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. CourtJester

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    Britain has a history of greater inequality than the US, but with a more effective welfare state (until the current shower in government). Both do exhibit low inter-generational mobility (i..e. orthodox notion of class). That's a shame. Its even more shameful that right wingers ignore that reality. How can class limitation be at all related to individualism?
     
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    I'm not sure which language you are using. Words look like English, sentence structure mimics English but everything after "...more effective welfare state..." seems to be some sort of circle language that wonders in circles and leads nowhere. I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the death tax.
     
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    Sounds like rationality is a word beyond you? Fair enough. I expect that in post-truth yankland
     
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    Rationality, just how is it rational to talk in circles that make no sense but instead of clarifying your statements it is the other person that is irrational. Seems it is not I where rationality is a word beyond me, I even used it in various forms in a sentence.

    But never mind the clarification, it is no longer needed.
     
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    You whine and say nothing. I refer to the economics. There's a correlation there...
     
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    Thank you for confirming my understanding.
     
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    No problem. Also thank you for not actually saying anything. I could drink my coffee unmolested. Very decent of you
     
  9. OldManOnFire

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    Your math is faulty...I said "The 100 million Americans are working class earning from about $40-45K/year and less...this group pays very little federal taxation..." $35K happens to be the median individual income which means approximately 75 million Americans earn median wage or less...then add in your 42.9 million and back off a few who actually pay some taxes and we're in that 100 million area...
     
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    Americans who complain about their standard of living should move to one of the other countries ranked lower than the US...which is a majority of the world. Americans have a GREAT standard of living! Proof is found in researching how many Americans are leaving the US each year and how many outsiders desire to come to the USA each year...
     
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    You should not be so righteous...Reiver said GB has less equality than the US however GB has more welfare to offer...for example a universal health care system...
     
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    Whoa, stop the presses. I'll send this right over to the IRS. So when they contact you will you tell them their records are in total error or that some 60 million or so shadow people making between $40,000 and $45,000 a year don't file?
     
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    Actually this country is well below almost every other country in this world. This country has very little remaining that has not been stolen from somewhere else. All the countries send us their goods and get dollars so they can buy oil, call it the United States tax for them to consume oil. And then this marvelous collections of murders and thieves reaches right into the good little citizen's pocket to pay for that huge military so the middle east can be safe.

    Now China not being full of idiots (much higher IQs than the average American), does the smart thing trade all that worthless pile of IOU's into hard assets, land, very expensive, pays cash.
     
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    So are you the apologizer for him? And the rest of what he said you have no clue either, do you?
     
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    But your statement was we have the best in the world. Nice to see you realize that was nonsense.
     
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    Yeah right...I'm clueless...and you are a genius...
     
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    As far as I'm concerned the USA is the best place in the world. Those who disagree should move to another nation of their choice...
     
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    That took a lot of courage to own up to the truth, my hat is off to you.:cowboy::worship:
     
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    Where is this USA that you are referring to?

     
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    Not quite. In terms of the pre-welfare income distribution, Britain's inequalities are stand-out. However, they do have a superior welfare state (although that is being currently dismantled by the Tories). Thus, in terms of poverty and the post-welfare income distribution, you still get to chant 'America number 1'. Mind you there are still sub-categories of poverty where the Brits shine. Child poverty has traditionally been much higher in Britain. Perhaps Brits hate children? They might think the Child Catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is something to strive for...
     
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    Well GB having a public health care system while the US does not surely is a huge advantage to those with lower incomes. We're having a bit of that dismantling going on now in the USA...based on two things; redistribution of wealth and we hate those who can't defend for themselves. In the US we have criminal illegal immigrant catchers...criminal being defined as a felony which is the penalty for being in the US illegally...so illegals are felons and all are subject to arrest and deportation...
     
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    I haven't mentioned the NHS. I've referred purely to the success of welfare payments in reducing poverty below the US. That isn't a claim to fame mind you! After all, its two neo-liberal countries with inefficiently high income inequalities....

    Shouldn't the sentence finish as hate?

    Weird state of affairs for a nation of immigrants
     
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    I don't like welfare payments except for those who have zero cash to spend. I do prefer that government provide affordable housing, affordable and effective public transit, food assistance, and public healthcare...
     
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    Welfare payments typically make economic sense: from improving job search to enabling greater choice (e.g. parents returning to work). Now there are potential issues. Thatcher, for example, deliberately increased in-work benefits and eliminated minimum wages as a means to encourage low wages. She assumed it was needed to compete globally. There are two ways of avoiding that. First, don't adopt idiotic right wing political ideas. Second, ensure that minimum wages (and union bargaining power) stop any redistribution effect to rent seeking employers.
     
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    I should restate my comment; I don't like 'long term' welfare payments... Short term payments for food assistance, unemployment, or other instances that can eliminate one's income, I have no problem. I just wish our government would do more about improving the education system, removing the ghettoes, reducing urban crime, and providing affordable shelter, etc. I like capitalism but I also know at times it can be quite harsh on people...
     

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