Death total surpasses 2020

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  1. ToughTalk

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    As the article sadly points out the reason: waning immunity and many still unvaccinated Americans......

    Even today many still fight tooth and nail against the vaccine, and IMO that is fine. I don't think government should force people to take it, so they choose to take their chances and many pay with their lives. Even better when they can blame their choice on Biden.
     
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    Hrm...

    People in mostly democratic states?

    upload_2021-11-23_14-54-45.png

    or as I like to list it as;

    Democratic (new york)
    Democratic (michigan)
    Democratic (pennsylvania)
    Democratic (illinois)
    Democratic (minnesota)

    Republican (ohio)
    Democratic (california)
    Democratic (arizona)

    Republican (texas)
    Democratic (massachusetts)
    Democratic (connecticut)

    Republican (Indiana)
    Democratic (colorado)
    Democratic (wisconsin)

    Also, please take note how you are not reading about outrage regarding Trumps(er I mean Biden's) failure at handling COVID 19 on the many headlines and articles from the left leaning media...
     
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    Not even close!
    there were 429,874 dead the day Tramp left office and 8,832,292 active cases with a 2% death rate which adds 176,646 more deaths to Tramp's total giving him a grand total of 606,520 deaths under his watch and not counting the anti-vaxers who have died under his influence since.
     
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    - We are only in November
    - I've stated that the death total in 2021 has now surpassed that of 2020
    - the top 14 states leading infections are democratic.

    Maybe if we gave up more freedoms and wore a third mask?

    let's go Bradon!
     
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    He counts January deaths to Biden in order to make a partisan argument. He can't help himself.
     
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    You falsely claimed Biden had more deaths than POS Tramp, which I proved false with actual data.
    there were 429,874 dead the day Tramp left office and 8,832,292 active cases with a 2% death rate which adds 176,646 more deaths to Tramp's total giving him a grand total of 606,520 deaths under his watch and not counting the anti-vaxers who have died under his influence since.
     
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    Oh so you are going to blame covid deaths on trump...after trump is no longer in office? Is that how that works? No sir. Trump's toll stopped January 5th. From here on out. We under Brandon's watch!

    Let's go Brandon!
     
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    I already posted this opinion on another thread, but here it is:
    I think the weather has direct influence on the viral spread. In the summer, when humidity was very high, many people in Florida prefer to stay indoors under the AC (with exceptions of trips to the beach or pool). In the summer we had a spike in infections. Now, our spike is done, but northern states have the spike, and this spike seem to last longer than the one we saw in Florida. So, my theory is that every summer Florida will see an increase in cases, while north will see a decrease and we will see a bunch of progressive trolls claiming the rise in infections is due to refusal to wear masks, or low booster vaccination rates. Then, each winter the northern states will see a surge, while Florida and southern states will see a significant drop in case counts.
    If all of that is true, then the northern states will have another surge just in time for November elections next year.
     
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    LOL... did you control for population Mr. Statistician?
     
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    Well population smopulation. You guys are all wearin masks in your states do you should be fine
     
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    Not exactly the most sophisticated analysis. At the start of 2020, it wasn't even in the US at all. These things take time to get rolling when you start the year with 0 cases (or maybe a handful of unknown ones). And then come March 2020, there was an aggressive lockdown and people actually did it. While the vaccine helps, even better is not being near anybody except immediate family. And having this lockdown further slowed the spread of covid. By 2021, more people are getting tired of masking and distancing. There is also the delta variant, which is much more contagious. I don't know that Trump or Biden are really responsible for how covid has gone, except to say that Trump's early actions of downplaying it didn't help.
     
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    But Biden has a vaccine. So that should out things in his favor.

    Trump didn't panic. And didn't favor shutting the economy down. And likely right now the one state that's handled this much like trump wanted too is Florida. ..

    The irony here is that the most liberal and woke democratic states are the ones currently spiking right now. Do it's almost like trump or Biden being in charge wouldn't have changed a *******n thing.

    It's almost like once again, the hyperbole of the left's outrage over orange man was misguided.

    Yep. That's pretty much where I'm at with all this.

    Enjoy the lack of freedoms
     
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    Except I wasn't kidding when I said you have to control for population. This is the kind of statistic you want, per capita cases... though some grains of salt are in order, as I would suspect Puerto Rico just doesn't count its cases effectively, and I recall Trump encouraged not counting cases to make the numbers look better. : • U.S. COVID-19 case rate by state | Statista ... overall red states are doing worse.
     
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    Ya that's swell, except checking the current tally of new cases...well as you can see the democratic states are leading the pack!

    :)

    Maybe we need to take away more of your freedoms?
     
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    Even with per 100k, there is no data supporting lockdowns and mask mandates.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

    Florida has 285 deaths per 100,000. New York is at 294.
    If lockdowns and mask mandates made a serious difference, then one would expect Florida to be significantly higher than New York, but it is, in fact, lower.
     
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    Is that from start? New York got crushed by the initial wave especially pre lock-downs/mask mandates. I'd be curious to see stats for the past year or just 2021
     
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    Yes of course, it makes more sense than blaming Biden for deaths before he took office!
    Tramp owns the over 8 million who were already infected with the Trump-45 virus who died, 2% of whom were beyond the help Biden's of vaccination program because you have to have been already vaccinated to avoid death.
    That Tramp's toll ended Jan 6 while he was still pretending to be president makes NO sense at all. But what else can you do to keep Tramp' over 600,000 dead lower than Biden's
     
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    Well for one it isn’t a vaccine but an experimental gene therapy. The powers that be redefined the definition of vaccine Jan of 2020 to include the experimental gene therapy. The only reason it was accepted was because of the pandemic according to a Bayer executive.
     
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    Sorry fella. When you become President, you inherent the situation. Everything after that moment is on you. I just find it remarkable that even with a the vaccine Trump helped get out the door, and infringing on everyone's rights...sleep Joe can't stop Covid.

    But I will admit. He hasn't posted one mean tweet so good jeb!
     
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    Pure hogwash!
     
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    No, your post is pure hogwash!
     
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    upload_2021-11-23_20-47-4.png 434,000+ on Jan 20, 2020.
    If you think the presidents have a factor in the deaths. 796,000+ as of 11/22/21.
    Also note, deaths didn't start til almost April. Giving only 10 months under trump.

    But that's semantics. Presidents don't control covid.
     
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    70% vaccinated at least once leaving 30% unvaccinated. Of that percentage I'm sure a good chunk has already gotten covid. If people want boosters we have boosters.
    Sounds pretty positive to me.
     

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