Debunked, "Socialism has never worked"

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    No he doesn't. He just claims things are socialism and says people don't understand. He offers no solid grounds to debunk anything. It's mostly just semantics. Basically he calls anything but actual socialism socialism.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    So is it your contention that "socially guided capitalism" (not that that makes any sense) is the root of all happiness?
     
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    Their seems to be a common denominator in all the socialist varieties, along with the marxist and others of similar basis.
    Invariably, they want to use the productive of society to provide for the unproductive. That has a number of flaws, but some are fatal. Such as-

    It incentivizes non-productivity, and it penalizes productivity. It penalizes the very quality that makes a system economically viable. That insures failure.

    It appeals to those who are envious of what others have, who rationalize their own responsibilities for their lives and tell themselves it is unjust that they have less than others.
    It literally uses weakness in people to their disadvantage, degrading the many to empower the few by deception. It never seems to achieve the goal it promises.
    The poor usually get poorer, the services and goods available decline in quality as well as quantity, jobs decline, wages decline- but those in positions of political power typically do well.

    While is technically is an economic system, it only finds reception through political manipulation by unscrupulous politicians, thus is used for political control as well.
     
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    I think it's safe to say the myth that socialism has never worked has been debunked has in fact been debunked.
     
  5. PARTIZAN1

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    I heard he will right after POTUS D moveso his favorite caountry- Russia.
     
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    Socialism doesn't work. End of story.
     
  7. FreshAir

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    they are laughing loudly at Trump, worst disgrace ever

    "Putin, Saudi Crown Prince high-five at G-20 summit"



    in Trump's own words
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    So you dont think this was a disgrace? upload_2020-7-7_20-12-49.jpeg
     
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  9. crank

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    BINGO!
     
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    The only people that advocate for socialism are the losers who want something for nothing. The true greed.
     
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  11. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Here's a thoughtful, courteous, educated reply:

    Socialism and communism are the same thing. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a capitalist pretender. With respect.

    Education via lived collectivism.
     
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    Before, or after COVID?
     
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    No they aren't. Roads are built with the proceeds of capitalism. They have nothing AT ALL to do with socialism.
     
  14. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Actually, no. Socialism/communism (they're the same thing, remember) are simply economic models predicated upon collective finances/work/living ... in turn predicated upon the fundamental philosophy that if you don't work, you don't eat.
     
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    It's far simpler than the fakes would have you believe.

    Boil it down to: everyone works.

    That's why they come up with all these BS 'interpretations' ... because they can't stand the brute reality. They're all about the free lunch, ya see. IOW, the polar opposite to socialism/communism.

    They think calling themselves socialist makes them seem kind or something. So they claim it, while knowing full well that they're the most ardent fans of capitalism, democracy, and a lush life of self-indulgence.
     
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    Socialism works in small groups and by consensus, period. Socialism by force is Communism. Mao said all political power comes out of the barrel of a gun and that is the only way you can foist this bullshit on America but then it wouldn't be socialism would it? If you want Socialism go live on a commune, a kibbutz, or become Amish and leave the rest of us alone.
     
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    Denmark is entirely capitalist. Spending money on social programs is a luxury only afforded by capitalism. Nothing to do with socialism at all.

    If Denmark were socialist, there'd be no welfare. Welfare (as we understand it) is entirely against collectivist ethos.
     
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    Work. Just wait until the critical theorists get a hold of that great vaguery. The chief complaint of the socialists is the chasm of disagreement between the way they value labor, and employers value work. They lament their inability to define their labors to smear colorful finger paintings made from their own menstrual blood and feces as "work" to be revered as fervently as the death defying efforts of an offshore oilman attempting to wrestle million year old dinosaur squeazings out of the ground.

    These works aren't equal, but they demand equal outcome from them, despite the reality that some labor is quite more productive than other labor.
     
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    Exactly.

    Further, in a socialist collective the finger painter would be required to wrest oil from the sea, and the oilman required to finger paint. They would not have the luxury of choice. Can you imagine? I have no doubt the oilman would consider it a welcome respite .. while the 'socialist' dies of emotional and physical collapse before lunchtime.
     
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    That's how it's done, for sure.

    Only capitalist democracies allow us that freedom and privilege, though. Very important point!
     
  21. quiller

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    History shows us WHAT fact? Your baseless allegation of corruption?
     
  22. quiller

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    Tiresome, repetitive, unprovable and wrong. In that order.
     
  23. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nobody is promoting Socialism, not I, not Pakman in the video, the video is for educational purposes. You obviously didn't read my post, nor watched the videos, and, as such, you've made a colossally ignorant assumption about the content.

    You are embarrassing yourself.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, it's an ignorant reply, obviously, you didn't watch the videos, which are educational in purpose, and not for the purpose of promoting socialism.
    Note: do not conflate 'courteous' with 'nice', they are not necessarily the same. I respond, courteously, to your comment.

    It's rare that I get a reply from members of the right, which are 'on point'.

    There is only one way to be in point, that is to read my post, and preferably, review the videos, and address the points raised, because my points are based on them. Given the text of your comment, it's obvious you do not know what the point is which means you are not paying attention and you are making assumptions about the purpose of the post.
     
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  25. quiller

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    Had you bothered to pay attention, sonny, he SAID he has metered service and is bandwidth-limited to preclude internet videos.
     

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