Debunking right wing mythology one lie at a time

Accusing President Barack Obama of failing to secure U.S. borders has become a common rallying cry among right wingers.

But he supported the bi-partisan 2013 Immigration Reform Bill that was killed in the House when the first Orange Man, John Boehner, refused to bring the bill to the floor for a vote. The bill contained quite a bit that would have strengthened border security. But Repubs didn't want to give Obama any legislative victories so the bill died. What was in it?

https://americanimmigrationcouncil....44-understanding-2013-senate-immigration-bill

Obama's record on the number of people deported was a cause of great criticism from the Left and landed him the title "Deporter-in-Chief" though his numbers were positively skewed by counting methodology.

From 2009 to 2014, 1 million Mexicans and their families (including U.S.-born children) left the U.S. for Mexico,according to data from the 2014 Mexican National Survey of Demographic Dynamics (ENADID). U.S. census data for the same period show an estimated 870,000 Mexican nationals left Mexico to come to the U.S., a smaller number than the flow of families from the U.S. to Mexico.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

He increased the number of border guards over the doubling of guards increased by Bush.

The Obama administration surged enforcement immigration laws against employers — issuing 15.5 times as many fines against employers and 8.3 times as many arrests for violating immigration laws as his predecessor. Detention for those who crossed the border has also increased under the Obama administration — including for many of the roughly 227,000 children and families who have surged across the border.

Did Obama de-emphasize deportation of non-criminal illegal immigrants? Yes. The Obama administration instructed immigration authorities to focus on violent criminals and those posing national security threats. He refined his directives in November 2014, listing as his deportation priorities: members of gangs; those convicted of felonies or aggravated felonies; and those suspected of or engaged in terrorist or espionage activity.

Why?

http://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/...y/benefits-of-immigration-outweigh-costs.html

 

-Open borders
-Sanctuary cities
-Obama decreased deportation by about 50,000 per year in his second term (so called “focus on the criminals”)
-Took on potentially dangerous refugees with no intention of vetting

 

ho-hum...

These things were discussed quite often when Obama was President, and none of your "debunking" addresses any of the concerns that were raised.

He was a garbage president, and now it's time to try and make America great again by fixing everything that bobble-headed-jug-eared moron broke, rather than rehashing old arguments that lefties refused to discuss when he was a relevant pain in the collective butt.

 

So no matter what he did..you hate him and it wasn't enough.

Despite the fact that it was a distinct improvement over the previous GOP Administration.

OK then...

 

Care to discuss the specific myth of "open borders?" Because I have just delineated how they most definitely were not open. Replying "open borders" to the list of facts I posted is akin to replying "natural cycle" to the overwhelming scientific facts supporting the conclusion of human caused climate change among over 90% of the world's climate scientists.

 

So in others words, you've got nothing.

 

Yup, that sums it up pretty well. Conservatives hate Obama, therefore his record must be obscured with lies to justify the hatred.

 

Bush sucked also, that doesn't mean Obama did good.

He didn't.

Its like comparing a turd to a piece of crap. "Oh but the turd doesn't smell as bad as the crap does!"

Its still excrement.

 

The US does not have any open border agreements with foreign countries. To say that the US was given open borders is an out and out lie. Furthermore, there is a vetting process for refugees, and it takes a year and a half to two years before said individuals are brought into the country

 

Open border is what the democrats want and we were closer under obama then we have ever been to that being a reality.

 

I must say conservative folks have an awfully difficult time proving their points without falsely asserting what Dems think. "Dems want open borders" just isn't true. Neither is the assertion we had them under Obama. Border security was enhanced while Obama was president and would have been enhanced further, with his approval, had the Freedom Caucus in the House allowed the Immigration Reform bill to pass.

 

Come on, not everyone fried their brains on drugs and are suffering from short term memory loss.

The Immigration reform act of 2013 was nothing more than a blanket amnesty bill that also included awarding illegal alien gang members with amnesty.

If passed the only part of the bill that would have been enforced would have been the amnesty part just like The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 which was an enforcement bill but the only enforcement was enforcing the amnesty.

http://www.heritage.org/immigration...omprehensive-immigration-bill-top-10-concerns

 

Their policies say different

 

its called partisan bumperstickers as historic fact. there is no discussion because they just KNOW the truth.

 

I'm going to assume you didn't read this link which details the border security enhancements in the bill that Obama approved of. You know, the guy who was for "open borders" (wink).
https://americanimmigrationcouncil....44-understanding-2013-senate-immigration-bill

It is ridiculous, obviously, to suggest a provision like that was part of the bill. If it had been it never would have garnered the Repub support necessary to pass the bill in the Senate.

 

Here's a tip. You should never supply someone you are debating with information that disproves the point you are trying to make. The following excerpt is from the NBC story you provided the link for.

'But since the reform effort ultimately failed due to heavy conservative backlash, Rubio has made every effort to wash his hands of the bill, and his Monday argument — that the Senate bill was just a starting point, never intended to become law, and conservatives in the House were expected to make it stronger — is one he’s made in recent months as his role in the reform effort has taken on fresh scrutiny.

It’s a notable departure from his comments on the bill when he was advocating for its passage in 2013, however. Then, Rubio said while he expected the House to make some changes to the final bill, he hoped they would ultimately “take a look” at it.

"I think we have a good piece of legislation they should take a look at. There are a lot of good ideas that they should adopt,” he said at the time, according to Reuters."

 

All you did was show the dishonesty of Rubio

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...on-u-s-immigration-bill-idUSBRE95O1CC20130625

 

Your source the, American Immigration Council is a radical leftist socialist pro open borders, pro amnesty activist group funded by George Soros, the same person who funds ANTIFA.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderProfile.asp?fndid=5181

 

Rubio's failed run for the GOP Presidential nomination for President last year can be contributed being a member of the "Gang of 8."

Rubio tried to wash his hands and distance himself from the "Gang of 8" but conservatives have a long memory span bigly and we don't forget.

 

Well, not really. Since you appear to have an aversion to clicking on the link I provided detailing some of the provisions in the bill dealing with enhanced security I've done you the courtesy of pasting some of them.


The “Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act,” or S. 744, is a broad-based proposal for reforming the U.S. immigration system written by a bipartisan group of eight Senators known as the “Gang of Eight.” Senators Charles Schumer (D-NY), John McCain (R-AZ), Richard Durbin (D-IL), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Michael Bennet (D-CO), and Jeff Flake (R-AZ) drafted S. 744 in the spring of 2013. The bill addresses all aspects of the immigration process from border and enforcement issues to legal immigration reforms. It makes changes to the family and employment-based visa categories for immigrants, provides critical due-process protections, increases the availability of nonimmigrant workers to supplement all sectors of the workforce, and provides legal status to 11 million undocumented immigrants within the United States. The Senators intended this legislation to address these issues “…by finally committing the resources needed to secure the border, modernize and streamline our current legal immigration system, while creating a tough but fair legalization program for individuals who are currently here.”

If enacted, S. 744 would require that a series of enforcement measures, or “triggers,” go into effect prior to completing the legalization process. For example, although undocumented immigrants will be allowed to register for the new Registered Provisional Immigrant (RPI) program almost immediately, before those in RPI status can apply to become lawful permanent residents the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) must certify that the Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy is deployed and operational, 700 miles of fencing is complete, 38,405 border patrol agents are deployed, and the E-Verify employment verification system is in place, among other requirements. The Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act (DREAM Act) and Agricultural Job Opportunities, Benefits, and Security Act (AgJobs) are both incorporated into the RPI program, but applicants who qualify under those provisions will be eligible to obtain legal permanent resident status more rapidly.

 

Wow, you never guys never quit with the theme of disparaging the source of information. Their characterization of the bill is accurate.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/744

 

Even if this were true, “close” doesn’t equal open borders. Not only did more deportations occur under the Obama administration than did under the Bush administration, more illegal immigrants fled the country due the the Republican induced recession than were deported.

 

It is true. Obama decreased deportations by 50,000 per year in his second term, loved sanctuary cities, did very little to nothing on improving conditions and gear for border patrol, ignored the need for a physical border, and didnt bat any eye at bringing refugees from terrorist supporting countries without proper vetting.

 

And if it were have passed and became law, about the only thing that would have been enforced would have been the blanket amnesty just like all of the other immigration reform acts that have been passed by Congress and signed into law during the past thirty years.

A good example is the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1982.

It was an enforcement immigration bill but when the Reagan administration tried to enforce the IRCA of 1986 the usual people yelled racism and the only part of the IRCA that was enforced was the amnesty.

Look at the bill for yourself. It's a freaking enforcement bill but as you notice the vast majority of the bill was never enforced.

It's right here -> http://library.uwb.edu/Static/USimmigration/100 stat 3359.pdf

If the liberals would have allowed President Reagan or any other preceding Presidents to enforce the IRCA of 86 there wouldn't be any illegal aliens in America today. There would be no MS-13 or 18th Street gangs in America. America would very likely be great today.

President Trump doesn't need to go to Congress to build his wall along the border. It's all ready law, even Senator crooked Hillary voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006.

But it was just an election ploy, Congress never appropriated the money for the double layer fence.

Back in 1986 the Democrats refused to vote for the IRCA unless there was an amendment added to the bill, an amnesty. The Democrats said it would be only a one time amnesty NEVER TO BE REPEATED AGAIN. Today everyone calls it Reagan's amnesty of 1986.

It was just a lie and they said the same thing for the other six amnesties that were snuck through Congress that most low information Americans are unaware of.

The Seven Amnesties Passed by Congress

Six were passed and signed into law by President Clinton. Not surprising.
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/seven-amnesties-passed-congress.html