Debunking right wing mythology one lie at a time

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Border apprehensions and removals increased in FY 2016 compared to the prior year, DHS reported. In FY 2016, DHS carried out 530,250 apprehensions and 344,354 removals, compared to 462,388 apprehensions and 333,341 removals a year earlier. Despite the increase, these numbers were far lower than the peak of enforcement operations at the beginning of the Obama years, after he inherited a robust enforcement regime from his predecessors. These numbers dipped as new enforcement priorities were put in place, before rebounding slightly at the end of the Obama presidency."
    Clearly the emphasis on deportations evolved to one of a priority on criminals. Do some research on sanctuary cities before condemning them. As I have repeated a number of times now he supported both an increased budget for border security and more physical fencing but the bill that would have provided the funds for such was killed in the House. Refugees were properly vetted.

    http://www.politifact.com/californi...as-refugee-vetting-already-robust-not-haphaz/
     
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    Link please
     
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    Debunking left wing mythology when President Obama said our borders were secured.

    But President Obama never explained why he had these signs put up all along our southern border.

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    What you discussed was another Obama lie.

    1st those Mexicans that left this country under their own power did not leave this country because of their non existent fears of Obama border enforcement - there essentially wasn't any, but because there weren't any damn jobs any more in the Obama economy. It had nothing to do with Immigration Policy. Boenher didn't bring the Immigration reform bill to the floor for any reason that had anything to do with Obama but because the phone calls of Republican rank and filers quickly informed him that the Republicans would be out on their keesters if they voted for another Amnesty bill.
     
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    Why do lefties not support trump for continuing Obamas stance on immigration?
     
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    Bush and Obama were different sides of the same coin.
     
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    Actually the jobs dried up because of the 2007/2008 Recession/banking debacle. Claiming that was the fault of Obama is dishonest at best.

    But it DOES point out that they DO come here for the JOBS.

    Enforce hiring laws preventing businesses from hiring them and look what happens?

    They go back.
     
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    There are measurable personality markers that describe who people are, and how they form their opinions; how they think. Liberals are high in trait openness, and high in trait agreeableness. These traits inherently conflict with the idea of borders between things.

    Arguing that Obama's goal was to draw firm borders between America and Mexico is antithetical to his openly stated politics.
     
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    america's job creators require unlimited, illegal immigration because cheap labor that can be deported for insubordination is a priority.

    bipartisan policy, no matter what any of them say (esp. trump), is to provide that cheap labor outside fair labor standards and osha regulations.
     
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    Didn't happen, and some do some don't. There weren't much in the way of jobs during the entire Obama administration. That's what happens when economic growth is in the 1 to 2% range. Most of the drop in unemployment had more to do with with people's unemployment running out than any actual jobs being created as is shown by very low worker participation rates though out.
     
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    Nothing like rebutting a fact based argument with a repetition of the same old tired right wing talking points. Fact don't matter in Trumpster world!
     
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    The improvement came when Trump was elected. Tens of thousands decided to head home on their own.
     
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    Funny ain't it.
     
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    Obama will go down as one of the worst Presidents we have ever had. 10Trillion in debt with absolutely noyhing to show for it except a failing healthcare act and a nation divided along the color of our skin.
     
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    Is that a joke? Open a newspaper and the answer will be obvious to you.
     
  17. Lee Atwater

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    Really. The debt thing again. You folks seem to have collective amnesia about the condition of the economy, and the deficit, when Obama took office. Not to mention the hugely expensive wars he inherited from the worst president in a century, Dubya, at least until Bozo the Drumpf was elected.
     
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    You mean like this quote?

    "We are a nation of laws and we are a nation of immigrants, and we can reconcile those two things. So we need comprehensive reform, and that means stronger border security. It means that we are cracking down on employers that are taking advantage of undocumented workers because they can't complain if they're not paid a minimum wage. They can't complain if they're not getting overtime. Worker safety laws are not being observed. We have to crack down on those employers, although we also have to make sure that we do it in a way that doesn't lead to people with Spanish surnames being discriminated against, so there's got to be a safeguard there."
     
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    Just a taste of the massive data base available to prove you wrong.

    https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/f...t Border Family Units and UAC Apps - FY16.pdf
     
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    I keep hearing about Obamas deportation numbers. Was he tearing families apart, is trump, or is it a whole bunch of Bullshit from progressive misdirection?
     
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    We do not need to reform immigration. We are not talking about immigration. We need to enforce borders this doesn't require reform of immigration. It requires hammering Sanctuary cities. And standing behind the Border Patrol as well as deportation immigrants upon arrest.

    He supported none of these things so he was terrible with securing borders
     
  22. Lee Atwater

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    The recitation of Obama's deportation numbers typically comes as a result of him being falsely attacked for having an "open border" policy which is demonstrably ridiculous. The difference in Obama's and President Bone Spur's deportation policy is that Obama focused on criminals, gang members, those who did not meet the criteria of consideration for permanent status. Drumpf, on the other hand, is being indiscriminate about who he has instructed ICE to target.
     
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    Well, that whole statement is patently false. Trump has gotten backlash because he is only targeting criminals, but he does deport anyone found illegal at the scene where a criminal illegal is found. This situation would greatly diminish with cooperation from local law enforcement. Second, Obama's border policies have been well documented and retorted cutting multiple border patrol officers. A strong stance on border security was not depicted in their description of first hand experiences. This bs is laughable.
     
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    Really? So you're choosing to simply dismiss the massive influx of illegal aliens crossing the border, documented by figures provided by the Border Patrol?

    On what basis do you think your opinion refutes the documented numbers?
     

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