declining standard of living in Australia

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  1. LeftRightLeft

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    Yep, like we left banking to bankers, so let's leave mining to miners, after all, they know their business better than we do, and after all, it is our lives they care about.

    Next one.

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    So we have an activist run our three main banks.
    Nationalized banks, something like Venezuela.
    (remember that country?)
    Let's say someone from the Greens.
    No fees, lower interest, more branches, no plastic (even in cards) better wages.
    No investment in oil, gas, coal, uranium, fisheries, timber, roads, bridges, airports,
    and other capitalist, racist, exploitative and sexist ventures.
    Those banks, which make about 3% on the money they handle - suddenly see
    their profits slump and shares dive. Lack of confidence, followed by falling profits
    see them bought out by foreign interests. Capitol flight. Falling dollar.
    But hey! We ran the bank ETHICALLY.
    When business is no longer ethical we no longer have businesses. Australia has
    been falling over itself to do all the above since the 1960's.
    Read up on the Cultural Revolution in China. That's where we are heading.
    China woke up - so will we, but it will be too late.
     
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    You see, business doesn't include one mention of people as humans, we are consumers.

    The liberal ideology is promoted as being for the people, to bring us together in a united cause.

    It is actually about individualism, just worry about yourself. No safety nets, no welfare, no free education or medicine, no pensions.

    Their philosophy is we should be able to take care of ourselves, superannuation, health insurance ,unemployment insurance but less taxes.

    Nothing to regulate them as we have seen since mining, banking, power supply etc was privatised.

    Once upon a time you would be the most trusted person in town if you were a bank manager or the post master.

    We are just entering a new era. This century is beginning with mars missions, key hole heart surgery, smart phones, robots and artificial intelligence. The last one began with biplanes, T model Ford and an appendectomy was a major procedure.

    The world has changed so must the way we manage it.
     
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    Of course I never expected anything different. I am only telling you what has already happened doing things your way.

    The response is ALWAYS the same old commo under the bed. Well that fairy tale may have scared away children 50 years ago but not today ,especially when you are all falling over yourselves to do business with them.

    As usual it is the ideology of no ideology, it's just business.
     
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    I love that bit about us going like China did. God can't you think of something original. My god man this is 2011. If we haven't got past that and can't move on in an adult and intelligent direction, then there is no hope.
     
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    What sets North Korea apart is there are no businesses.
    What sets Venezuela apart is the wholesale appropriation of businesses.
    What sets Russia apart is the oligarch ownership of what is left of its businesses.

    I wish more businesses would set themselves up in Australia.
    I wish there were more billionaires in Australia.
    And I wish we could create a generation of entrepreneurs.
    And we could have a vibrant economy where we can afford to do the social things
    we all want to see done.
     
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    And saying something like "and letting activists run our major banks". That lowers your argument into the gutter, I made no suggestion as to who should run banks, just reminding you that left unchecked ,all our major banks ended up in the hands of criminals involved in money laundering and fraud.
     
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    Quote - "You see, business doesn't include one mention of people as humans, we are consumers.
    The liberal ideology is promoted as being for the people, to bring us together in a united cause."

    I hear you. It's that balance thing.
    Business is constrained by the rule of law and consumer sentiment.
    A lot of liberal ideology is premised that it alone is the fount of wisdom
    and the source of power. What constrains it is the economy - when it
    tanks the liberal ideology gets thrown out. This might happen again soon
    in Britain.
     
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    But you live in a fairy tale world ,the most ruthless and corrupt will always make it to the top, in any system. Capitalism, Communism or Socialism. That's why they are all no good ,we need to look at it from a different angle, let's try. ..Doing the right thing.
     
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    Unfortunately "doing the right thing" is no longer business,
    or science
    or religion
    or loyalty to one's country.

    I fear what will become of a post-religious and post-liberal society.
    At the very least - a loss of freedom, knowledge and standard of living.
     
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    I am actually becoming confident that a revolution will happen, no not a bloody one but a revolution in thinking. It is already happening. Take AGL , now they are not some radical group ,but they have assessed the current situation and being a Japanese owned company (I'm sure they are, could be wrong ) they plan things on 20, 50, 100 year plans. They announced a while back that all future development will be to renewable energy.
     
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    That's why we need to bring it back, it is starting. It is the one thing that we all really know. I am afraid that with our growth in population coupled with our increased consumerism and the awakening of the third world countries that there is only one thing we can do to survive. Some younger entrepreneurs see it. Brampton et Al. Some companies like AGL and Tesla.
     
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    I particularly love what Elon Musk is doing.
    He alone has made big changes to our way of thinking about cars,
    roads, rockets, digital finances and energy.

    Conspiracy thinkers love to talk about how big corporations would
    stifle innovation or kill off the inventors - here's a man who challenged
    the aerospace, car industry and the like and yet appears to be very
    much alive. I hope he becomes the first trillionaire - that means we will
    ALL be better off.
     
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    There could be hope for you yet. Everyone says I have a politics of envy, I call it a politics of survival. I don't just mean business ,everything . We need to change a lot about how we live and how we relate to one another. Change just doesn't include electric cars and space tourism. It will mean mass unemployment drastic differences in economies between nations etc. Bigotry Racism and religions that create wars and terrorism will increase unless we change our thinking.
     
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    Quote - "Bigotry Racism and religions that create wars..."
    In the 20th Century we saw the end of most "religious wars"
    About 85-90% of all major acts of inhumanity were caused by SECULAR issues.
    ie WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Cultural Revolution, Killing Fields, Gulags, Auschwitz etc..

    Hitler's mother was a devout Catholic
    Stalin studied for the ministry
    Ho Chi Minh came from a Confucius family
    Mao was a Buddhist
    Lenin was baptized as an Orthodox
    and so on.

    Imagine (apologies to John Lennon) there was still religion in the 20th Century? I put it to
    you we wouldn't have seen the horrors we saw.
     
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    It never stops. Bigotry, racism, discrimination are the offspring of religions. Until humanity grows up and stops its dependency on religious ideologies that create bigotry, racism, discrimination and fear - then nothing will ever change. Sorry to burst the fantasy bubble here, but trying to solve the "elephant in the room" problem through wishful thinking of introducing electric cars and having green sustainable power as a band-aid solution to humanity replicating faster than cancer and consuming and destroying its own environment and planets natural resources - is NOT the answer. We can produce all the sustainable power and energy in the world, but that won't change the facts that humanity is on a collision course of destroying its own environment and planet through over population. Ask any competent farmer or producer; you can only sustain a certain number of livestock per acre before that piece of land becomes over stocked and unsustainable. The livestock begin to starve and become unhealthy even with manual feeding, and the land becomes damaged beyond repair. Moving the same amount livestock to a new paddock is not going to solve the problem - its just a temporary band-aid fix until the same thing happens to that paddock.
     
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    That 0% black Americans at libraries .. what the hell is going on there? Why would they refuse to take their kids to libraries?
     
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    http://www.pewinternet.org/2007/12/30/chapter-3-who-goes-to-public-libraries/
     
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    It's not a result of being 'smart', it's a result of a much stronger work ethic. Their 'smarts' is in recognising that IQ has nothing on hard work.
     
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    I disagree with your interpretation that Asians don't consider being intelligent not important as a strong work ethic. Look at the demographics. Previous generations of low skilled labouring Asians sacrificed everything so their offspring could be well educated and be competitive in future employment markets. Now the offspring of these previous labouring generations are making sure the third generation are highly educated and intelligent and can out-compete anyone. Sorry, but you have to have a good IQ to connect the dots to achieve that outcome in three generations - something Australians simply don't have.
     
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    You're absolutely incorrect. They are able to do this (in one generation, actually) because they work harder at it than we do. When our kids are doing an hour a day of assigned homework, theirs are doing that - plus 2 or 3 extra hours to get ahead. That has nothing whatsoever to do with intelligence. And no, they never let the idea of IQ factor into their efforts. To do so would be to fail .. because you're choosing to be limited by something that doesn't have any impact on outcomes. The only thing which gets results is hard work. You can have an IQ of 180 and be as lazy as hell .. and you'll get nowhere. Conversely, you can have an IQ of 110, work your behind off, and end up Dux.
     
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    What he is not saying is that the black kids were all downloading thier books off of the internet;)
     
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    Again I will disagree. All the demographics suggest Asian children studying longer hours than their western counterparts form a strategy, whereby they want to learn more and become smarter and more successful by putting in the extra effort - not putting in extra effort to do hard work in menial jobs like the previous generations. I agree, that previous generations of Asian workers did work long hours and sometimes 7 day weeks, and deserved every success they got. However, the new generations want to work smarter by becoming lawyers, doctors, accountants and that takes a commitment & a high IQ - not hard physical work.
     
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    You've missed the point, entirely.

    And you're dead wrong if you think gaining a medical degree isn't sheer, unadulterated hard (mental AND physical) work. It's probably the hardest of all trades to learn. Absolutely gruelling.
     

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