declining standard of living in Australia

I agree and often these days the doctors and nurses are in life and death situations.

 

the number of 'steps' walked in a large public hospital over a 12 hour shift is huge. and that's just the getting around part ...

 

You don't need to tell me, as a hospital scientist doing nuclear medicine and as a biochemist doing blood work I often spent many nights in ED I have seen it all. As a scientist I have had to work all over the hospital and what the general public see is just a small fraction of the facility

 

No. Its a continuum. A moron can be very determined, but not be a success no matter how hard he works. A genius can be lazy, and not be a success no matter how much he thinks about it.

It takes both intelligence (not necessarily genius) and hard work to be a success. But in many cases intelligence allows a person to work smarter instead of working harder.

 

I'm talking about 'average folk'. IOW, those whose IQ is in the 90%. No need to include the outliers - the mentally challenged and the genius.

But yeah, when it comes to success, determination is key. IQ has little to no input. Let's not forget that determination is not a function of intelligence, it's a function of emotional learning. It's 'taught' early in childhood, and is more accurately a behaviour.

 

Very naïve. An educated person who knows how to use his resources efficiently and effectively will achieve a goal with less work than a person who is less educated or less intelligent and must use brute force.

If a person can plan the project and calculate the resources needed, the waste and excess in manpower and material is reduced, reducing cost and schedule.

Again, success and intelligence and determination are linked, they are not independent.

 

Not naivety, no. Based on years of study.

Determination can exist in folk with very 'average' IQs, and a complete lack of determination exist in someone with a high IQ. And it absolutely can replace genius, when it comes to the nutting out of problems.

As for your list of the minutia of a project, that's waaaay too specific for this debate.

 

"Minutia of a project"? Your comment shows a severe lack of experience. Planning requires intelligence and experience, and good planning will put you ahead of your less intelligent and less experienced competitors. It does not matter if its building a house, designing the space shuttle, writing software, or running a small business.

I already wrote the same.

And its still a combination of intelligence and determination. Once rarely trumps the other, but having both is a huge advantage. Most very successful people are very intelligent and unusually driven to work hard.

 

Intelligence is the product of 'work'. The work must come first. So in a very real and tangible way, effort trumps ALL.

 

Are you serious? If intelligence didn't transcend physical hard work, then we would all still be living in an era prior to the Industrial revolution. Wasn't the Industrial revolution humanities way of replacing human hard work and physical hard labour with machines? SNAP LOL

 

You misunderstood. Intelligence takes work.

Think about what that means.

 

In the forum is a discussion of similar events.
http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/many-people-in-canada-struggling.533712/
Most recently college grads unemployed or forced to work for too little.
The problem with both of yous is selling out to globalism and not
catering to your own citizens.
The hangover after buying into the profiteers mantra, "Grow We Must".
Where's the intelligence? The Japanese use your Natural Gas cheaper than you do!
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California Nationalist
Nationalist for now.

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IMO globalisation is nothing more than helping to raise to standard of all the world.
Certainly I would do something about China gaming the rules of the WTO but
otherwise, what profit is it that America is rich and the rest of the world poor? That
leaves America with refugees, war and fewer markets for its own goods.

 

Then wear the hair shirt of most of the world.
Or live as an Australian should as part of the Australian nation. Not Planet Earth.


Also the problem of globalist profiteers.

 

Why is profit considered a dirty word? Political systems are based upon profit or naked power.

 

There's profits.
And there's obscene profits.
Do you deny obscene profits exist?

 

Like in Amazon.com or Apple Corp?
That's commercial power. It doesn't suck that money out of a nation
and put it in Scrooge McDuck vault. So long as these companies can
innovate, invest, employ and live by the rule of law and pay taxes I am
happy. And I prefer these companies be American than Chinese.
Compare that to a Stalinist model where power is not in profits but in
political control. It is absolute.
Rockefeller had 1.5% of all the money in America, but it flowed through
the economy. Stalin had 100% of the power, and it flowed to him.

 

Obscene profits do exist, and no one to date has or can explain the vast disparity.

For an example: Telstra boss Andrew Penn took home $5.21 million in 2017, and an office worker took home $55,000.

Is anyone really going to logically suggest that Andrew Penn spend all of his $5.21 million, and that money flowed back into the Australian economy? However, it is reasonable to believe that $55,000 would have flowed back into the Australian economy though rent/house repayment; food; clothing; petrol/transport; utilities; school fees - ect, ect.

Isn’t this a clear example of obscene profit that is fundamentally flawed in the Capitalist model?

No one suggesting that the "profit" is a dirty word. However, you can be an honourable person and still make a profit without having to rip someones guts and soul out to accomplish it.

No one will ever convince me that Andrew Penn is worth $5.21 million dollars per year, over someone else who makes $55,000.

 

This is where you're probably getting it somewhat wrong.

That is, if you think that the rest of the world will be brought up to the western standard - because that is not how it will go down, at all. The only possible way a 'levelling' will manifest is if the much smaller minority of rich westerners are brought significantly lower, and the rest of humanity a little bit higher. It's a numbers game, and they have the numbers.

 

Well said.

 

They are so painfully naive, that they think equitable wealth sharing means that brown peasants will become middle class. It never occurs to them that THEY'LL be the ones who have to 'move', for it to work. They think they'll somehow maintain their fancy lifestyle .. and that it'll all happen in some magical and distant way.

The evil part of me would love to see it happen to them .. just so I could laugh and point at their surprise (to find themselves suddenly trapped in a peasant-level 'Second World' life).

 

Yes.
Figure unbridled capitalism is by nature a game of Monopoly.
A truly progressive tax code is the cure and preventative.
The Eisenhower Tax Code.

 

Most likely it won't be them but their children.

 

Or grandchildren. But yeah, it's bizarre and inexplicable to think there are people out there who are so incredibly arrogant, hubristic, and naive, that they think the rest of the world will come up to meet them (somehow, magically), but that they won't have to take a single step towards the rest of the world.

 

What's happened - and this is not my idea, read it somewhere - is that there has been a shift to "shareholder value". This means that instead of running a business making stuff CEOs have got into cost-cutting mode (hello workers) and short-term goals and short-term contracts of employment. The CEO reckons he or she will get 5 years with the company and get the boot so they organise bonuses and a nice little golden parachute, use all sorts of tactics to get the share price up and then when it turns to crap, bail out with said parachute.

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