Decriminalizing cocaine, meth, speed and heroin

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  1. Conviction

    Conviction Well-Known Member

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    As is, I think we should legalize marijuana and cocaine. Cocaine is way overblown (pun not intended), it is not really a dangerous drug at all. However, crack should not be legal, so that could make legalizing cocaine tricky.

    I've experimented with psychedelics but you can't legalize those because some people can't handle it.

    Opioids is tough because they are highly dangerous. But what if you legalize like just hydrocodone? Opioids are costly on the black market and people turn to harder and cheaper drugs until they are taking heroin.,,
     
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  2. BleedingHeadKen

    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're right. Conservative progressives are pretty common. More government to fix every problem.
     
  3. God & Country

    God & Country Well-Known Member

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    Our prisons are full of hapless folks who were caught with relatively small amounts of illicit drugs. Decriminalizing does not condone drug use but raises the threshold between recreational amounts and those that would certainly be for distribution. In my opinion one should still have record for possesion no matter the amount. Legalization means absolutely no consequences for possesion nor anything that you do with it. Currently in Massachusetts dealing lethal narcotics in some cases also carries charges of homicide. This makes perfect sense to me, on one hand the guy caught with a couple of joints is off the hook but the slimey purveyors of opiates are prosecuted to the fullest extent allowed.
     
  4. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Thanks for the straight answer. Does the government have the power and authority to forbid the citizen from ingesting or (in your case) possession of various other potentially harmful substances? If yes, from where does it derive that power?
     
  5. Pred

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    Then the govt(tax payers) also isn't obligated to rescue your dumb ass when you OD? I think it's a fair trade. Everyone is free to do whatever they want to their own body and NO ONE else is obligated to pay for those decisions.

    A simple case of personal responsibility.
     
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  6. ButterBalls

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    Your avatar says it perfectly :) Ever have close contact with a meth head or heroin addict, I'm guessing not :) Anyone here that believes those two drugs should be legal really should invite a couple of those folks to house sit while you go on vacation for say "12 hours", by the time you get home they will have taken everything of value and left the front and back door wide open!
     
  7. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    The war on drugs is failing because society is broken! But the world is a small place today, if free for all use of narcotics is something people desire then there is always Spain! Just grab a passport and a wad of cash and enjoy its freedoms ;)
     
  8. God & Country

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    The answer to that is yes and no. On one hand it is illegal to commit suicide on the other people who survive an overdose are not charged with anything, there's a lot of gray here. There are no specific laws regarding the use of illicit drugs but lots regarding possession. I think this is good law because it doesn't impede one's personal freedom but allows for protecting people from themselves especially those whose judgement is impaired.There seems to be a sentiment among those who promote legalization that laws are punitive and restrictive. We live in perhaps the most free state in the history of the world and our laws are some of the most lenient and liberal. This is because of a collective belief in the freedom our beloved republic bestows upon it's citizens. Our freedom is derived from artfully crafted laws, freedom does not mean anarchy. The founders knew this and every person we elect should know this. When a law or laws cease to work we have the freedom to change them.
     
  9. BleedingHeadKen

    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've been a meth addict, and I've known heroin addicts. One of my best female friends was killed in a heroin deal gone bad. Fortunately for me, I never came into contact with government police and never dealt with the justice system.It's been over 20 years and I never stole a thing for anyone. Of course, that won't fit your naive, media-fed narrative. Drugs are evil unless they are handed out (often like candy) by your government-certified drug dispensers.

    Your arguments are no different than the ones that gun-grabbers use. Big government, according to you, is the answer to whatever you perceive as a problem. Might I suggest that you move to North Korea? It would be more suitable to your totalitarian views.
     
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  10. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who picks up the cost now?

    Btw, a big cause of Od is variable strength drugs... and dealers happy to sell larger quantities and who will encourage follow on products like fentanyl etc
     
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    Decriminalize it, tax it, dedicate the revenue to educating against its use and treating addiction.
     
  12. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I wasn't talking about financial liability. I was talking about lawful, constitutional authority to tell the citizen what he may or may not ingest.

    You've answered my question with other questions and a bit of a hypothetical.

    Do you think the government has lawful, constitutional authority to tell the citizen what he may ingest? If you are able, disregard financial considerations and try to consider the law as presented by the US Constitution.
     
  13. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes and no? Good grief! Strange answers this morning to relatively simple answers about the law.

    Are we able to examine the law itself, or is every answer about money?
     
  14. ButterBalls

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    I don't believe it for a second :) I have known both too, you may have been a casual user but a full blown meth head, very doubtful! Question, how's your teeth, still have them and are they your own?
     
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  15. Pred

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    I think the govt should warn against harmful substances, but not say "You CAN'T..." UNLESS those action require tax dollars. That's the catch. Govt and taxes are intertwined, so you can't have one without the other. Like I mentioned above, let people do whatever they want but I don't want to be on the hook for their stupidity....but I am.

    People on meth for example, are insane. They will kill, maim and steal to get more. So, selling meth at 7-11 isn't a good idea, because everyone around that person is negatively effected. There is no positive purpose for meth, besides forgetting life and their are far more safer ways to do that.
     

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