DEEPFAKE VIDEO Showing... ZELENSKYY SURRENDERING

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  1. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    The rest of the title to the link, is:..."Worries Experts."


    The article, to which one is brought, is entitled: Deepfake video of Zelenskyy could be 'tip of the iceberg' in info war, experts warn


    https://www.npr.org/2022/03/16/1087...nskyy-experts-war-manipulation-ukraine-russia

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    The video, which shows a rendering of the Ukrainian president appearing to tell his soldiers to lay down their arms and surrender the fight against Russia, is a so-called deepfake that ran about a minute long.

    It is not yet clear who created the deepfake, but government officials in Ukraine have been warning for weeks about the possibility of Russia spreading manipulated videos as part of its information warfare. Ukraine's military intelligence agency released a video this month about how state-sponsored deepfakes could be used to sow panic and confusion.

    While the video shows a passable lip-sync, viewers quickly pointed out that Zelenskyy's accent was off and that his head and voice did not appear authentic upon close inspection.

    Officials at Facebook, YouTube and Twitter said the video was removed from their platforms for violating policies. On Russian social media, meanwhile, the deceptive video was boosted.

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    This next site, actually allows you to see the faked video, which first appeared on a Ukrainian News website, which had been hacked. In the video, the fake Zelenskyy tells Ukrainian soldiers to "lay down arms."

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/16/...ves-deepfake-ukraine-zelenskyy-meta-instagram
     
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  2. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To be honest this seems overdue. Deepfakes are now incredibly lifelike and hard to spot with the naked eye. I'm surprised they aren't everywhere.

    In addition to the risk of being fooled by a deepfake, since the ordinary person has no way of independently determining if something is a deepfake, this will push people toward "official sources", providing even more chance of disinformation.

    It's a real pickle.
     
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  3. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Much like the vaulted strength of the Russian Army, if this video is any example to go by, the "incredibly lifelike" quality of deepfakes, may currently be overrated. This one was apparently quickly spotted by, according to the articles, the speaker's voice being far deeper than Zelenskyy's and the accent being different, as well as the head seeming unusually large, and more "pixelated," than the rest of the image.

    I don't doubt that impeccable fakes are possible but, in practice, at least in this case, the workmanship was a rather poor example of their theoretical potential.
     
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    This particular one was subpar, but the state of the art even a few years ago is pretty damn good. Not perfect yet, but rapidly closing the uncanny Valley.

    Very likely this will become a central component of warfare going forward. Nobody will have any idea what is happening. In cases where someone has said something they wish they hadn't they could claim its a deepfake.
     
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    They need to do one of Putin, admitting he's a Napoleanic ******.
     
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  6. FreshAir

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    deep fakes will get better and better with time sadly
     
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  7. FreshAir

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    and it will make the claim of "fake news" even easier as people will claim something they said caught on video was not really them
     
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    Have you seen the guy on Tik Tok that does the Tom Cruise deep fakes. 1000 times better than this Zelenskyy deep fake. The amazing thing is the actor also has Cruise's mannerism nailed down too.

    Here is a sample on youtube:

     
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    they can now make even old black and white photo's come to life, it's gonna get crazy as technology gets better and better

     
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    Eventually technology is going to have to insert some unique identifier with the photo or video to ensure its uniqueness. NFTs may be a start.
     
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    Watch out for the 2024 elections. Deepfake videos will be everywhere, smearing the opponent. Another step to people not believing ANYTHING that is outside of their own belief bubble, dismissing ANY uncomfortable information as fake news. And, so, the division of the country continues.
     
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    yep, we think social media fakes pretending to be someone they are not is bad, wait until deepfakes enter the picture

    trying to soil people that have died, start wars, the list goes on
     
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    meta data can be faked too though

    or could just be removed to be anonymous
     
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    Well the unique ID can be in the form of a cert key, that is chained to a cert authority. The implementation is subject to the value of the object and whatever is needed to ensure its uniqueness. I am just throwing out possibilities.
     
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    so every camera\phone has to be using this then, it's a tough one to solve

    most of the video people don't want others to see, prob would not be taken with cameras up to those standards

    but maybe government video could do that
     
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    It's at times like this that I wish Russia could be completely cauterized and prevented from infecting the global internet.
     
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    The level of effort may or may not be difficult, but a certificate chain with ones phone is an easy task, then add some session or date/time stamp and that should solve most. Of course the certs would have to be updated every 2 yrs or so.
     
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    it is, if people want all their photo's tracked, where they were, who they were and if it's a cellphone, not a regular camera
     
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    Already happening, especially if you use an iphone.
    All of our phones could be tracked at any time.
    Example: have you ever used the apps or websites that show live traffic congestion on the highways? They do it by tracking the density and speed of your GPS, phone or car. Personally, I don't care because I have nothing to hide from anyone. Some people get worked up over it. I doubt there's anything anyone could do about it now, it's so far embedded.
     
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    I don't think that is an absolute with the tracking unless one makes it public. Again I am throwing out ideas.
     
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    agree, that is all I am doing too, this is just a tough one that not sure how to solve either
     
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    Well part of the solution would be, if it was possible, to get people to stop automatically believing anything they see, on the internet.

    Could you explain this, please, for a non- techie?

    While I don't understand all that you & @FreshAir are discussing, I think there are are a couple of salient points, here. One is that, if we are talking about government statements, or even political ads, we're not, for the most part, involving cell- phone videos, so some form of authentication-- analogical to anti- counterfeiting guards, employed on paper currency-- seems realistic. Secondly, there is @balancing act 's point, when it comes to phone- captured images, that the technology is already employed, to track location of these. This alone, doesn't solve the problem-- a video need not be made in a "false" location, for a person portrayed in the video, to say "that isn't me"-- but I think it shows that there are ways to address this, with our technology, if we choose to, which I imagine the world, eventually, will.

    I know that cyber-security, albeit coming along rather late, is something the U.S. is focused on and I've got to believe that this would fall under the same big umbrella. As long as Democrats hold on to both chambers of Congress, this year, the current Administration seems sure to start efforts in that direction. Of course, just like with counterfeiting, this will inspire counter-measures, and we're off to the verification races! But at least, then, the side of truth will be actively competing.
     
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    An NFT stands for non fungible token. It is a unique identifier used in digital art and other electronic property. This is very like certificates used in the https protocol, where a web site is provided a unique certificate. Its uniqueness stems from the chaining of certificates from an intermediary cert authority, and that is chained to a root cert authority. So if one site is compromised the intermediary cert authority will pick it up.

    Creation of unique IDs is described with an encryption algorithm, i.e., RSA, AES etc
     
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