Defeating the bogeyman of single payer healthcare

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Balto, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,239
    Likes Received:
    8,753
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Do your homework as I have. It will be instructive for you to do so.
     
  2. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2014
    Messages:
    13,736
    Likes Received:
    9,495
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What's sad is you don't have a damn clue.

    Where did you learn your "debating style" from? Rush? Jones? What right-wing blowhard are you trying to emulate?
     
  3. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2014
    Messages:
    13,736
    Likes Received:
    9,495
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yeah, that right there is definitive proof that you're just parroting some pundit.
     
  4. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,239
    Likes Received:
    8,753
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Still no curiosity ?? I could care less what you believe but it's much better to know the facts about what you believe instead of just going on faith. How are coming on your research into the health care costs per capita in the UK and Canada as compared to the US ??
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2017
  5. xwsmithx

    xwsmithx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2016
    Messages:
    3,964
    Likes Received:
    1,743
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Where did I say if you're sick, hurry up and die? I said if you're sick, you can't (and shouldn't be able to) buy health insurance in a free market system. I didn't say you shouldn't get treatment, I didn't say you shouldn't get into a state-run risk pool, I didn't say you should die. Your interpretation is faulty. We have a free market in life insurance, and if you have diabetes, insurance is either not available or very expensive. Why aren't you promoting single-payer life insurance? Could it be because not everyone wants or needs life insurance? Do you think it's possible not everyone wants or needs health insurance? Why do you think pregnancy isn't covered under most health insurance plans? Because something like 90% of women between 18 and 45 will get pregnant at some point. Would you cover a risk that was 90% likely to happen?

    Hmmm... I wonder if that's what people want instead of health insurance, they want someone else to pay for their health care.
     
  6. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,239
    Likes Received:
    8,753
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Prior to ObamaCare there were ~ 20 million people in the US who did not purchase health insurance and paid for their health care out of pocket. That is their personal choice and they paid their bills. Less than 3% of all health care in the US is not paid for - therefore provider rates and consequently premiums are ~ 3% higher.
     
  7. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,761
    Likes Received:
    2,371
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Medical Bankruptcies were the Largest number of bankruptcies before the ACA
     
  8. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,239
    Likes Received:
    8,753
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's also fake news. Bankruptcies are always designated Medical when a medical bill is in play because the medical bill is the last to be paid. They can repossess your car or house but they can't put the appendix back in. Name someone who has declared medical bankruptcy.
     
  9. Chuck711

    Chuck711 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,761
    Likes Received:
    2,371
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No that's a fake post. Really you think medical bankruptcy is a rare occurrence?

    If you're good enough to spin that BS you need to work for Trump!

    https://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

    Bankruptcies resulting from unpaid medical bills will affect nearly 2 million people this year—making health care the No. 1 cause of such filings, and outpacing bankruptcies due to credit-card bills or unpaid mortgages, according to new data. And even having health insurance doesn't buffer consumers against financial hardship.
     
  10. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,577
    Likes Received:
    22,897
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Really? I've not seen a study comparing Medical Bankruptcy rates before and after the ACA. What have you got?
     
  11. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You mean during the worst of the recession?
     
  12. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    28,023
    Likes Received:
    10,559
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why ENCOURAGE anybody to finish high school? If we don't, and they don't, we should pay welfare, otherwise it will end up costing us a lot more. So we should just be satisfied with paying...

    Its kind of like that.
     
  13. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,239
    Likes Received:
    8,753
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's absolutely fake news as I explained.
     
  14. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2015
    Messages:
    12,465
    Likes Received:
    1,972
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Here's more:

     
  15. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,239
    Likes Received:
    8,753
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Single payer systems like those in Canada and the UK spend less on health care per capita because the gov rations health care spending. In the US health care consumers spend much more paid for by individual premiums. The difference and reasons for that difference are obvious.
     

Share This Page