Define woke in a way that does not apply to you or your favored political group.

Define woke in a way that does not apply to you or your favored political group. Please hear me out before you respond.

Because of in group out group biases we tend to easily see the negatives of the out group while being blind to like negatives of our in group. Our in group out group biases skew our perspective making us oblivious to how we are often that which we accuse others of.

From my perspective woke is used as a pejorative and seems to imply that an out group thinks they see reality but in reality are blind to how wrong they are. The subjective definition I just used can be reworded in many ways yet essentially mean the same thing. They are wrong and blind to their ignorance and malformed views while also being closed minded to disconfirming evidence. Even if someone cleverly comes up with a different definition it will likely not matter as human nature is systemic thus limiting a negative to only one political group would be foolish.

I argue we are all woke in that we all believe things that are not true and think our way of how to order government and society is the right way or at a minimum the best way. We are all also terrible at detecting our own errors while we tend to think we are pretty good at it, thus revealing our delusional nature.

Basis of my sociological claims are some good books I have read almost exclusively written by PhD’s with decades of research of human nature and group dynamics. I can recommend some books for any that are interested.

We are all part of the problem. Perhaps it is time to hold ourselves and our beloved in groups to the same standards that we hold out groups. That is what will make America great!

 

Please how does one define what is essentially a Marxist front group, whose primary goal is to subdivide the country into ever smaller interest groups until the whole thing collapses under the sheer absurdity of it all.

The fact is that the people founded this crap have already told us who they are and their goals. Why are so few people paying attention to those things they said about themselves.

 

'Woke' is an appropriation of 'wake up'. 'Wake up' used to be a term most commonly associated with the exposure of (in very broad and generalized terms) the elite, manipulative international groups, usually tied to banking, intent on guiding humanity toward a unified, centralized technocratic and authoritarian bureaucracy which they, of course, will ultimately rule. This being back before 'Q' successfully tied it in with lizard people, bigfoot, pizza and magic... 'Woke' is just the next attempt to divert the attention of the collective consciousness away from (lets just call it the NWO for now) by making it all about racism. And to be clear, racism has historically been one critical component of dividing and distracting us away from any concerted focus on resisting our would-be rulers and the games they play on the world stage... the best lies are mostly truth, after all. But ultimately we're all either eager slaves or we're 'useless eaters' regardless of our skin color. 'Woke' is just the newest co-opt of the narrative. After 'woke' it'll be something else. Probably having to do with 'aliens!' if I'm 'reading the tea leaves' properly.

 

Simply know the history of slavery in the US. Not difficult.

 

The same way one is oblivious to the negatives of their preferred in group/s. In group out group bias or more generally tribalism.

 

Can you explain the correlation between woke and slavery? I don’t see the connection.

 

Are you saying woke is limited to or a manifestation of Marxism? If so why not just say Marxism and dump the word woke as it seems redundant. As it is used by many it seems to imply more.

 

For the same reason leftist groups are always changing names. Calling your self a Marxist identified you for what you are, tells people what you are selling and sorry but most people aren't buying that crap because it never leads anywhere worth going. You call yourself woke, thereby incorporating a bit of the enlightenment cachet, and more people might pay attention to you or at least not slam the door in your face.

You should go back in the thirties and read Hitler's press clippings in the NYT and see how slavishly they followed Stalin's line on Hitler. It would be comic if the ultimate results hadn't been s tragic for everyone concerned.

 

def: "alert to injustice in society, especially racism."

Seems to fit well.

 

A problem with 'woke' people in the US is you don't need a particular qualification to decide what woke is and what to do about it. The idiots get too much attention.

 

Sorry, I'm not into group think. I have a set of ideas which I espouse. They can be found summarized in the preamble to the constitution. Judge politicians based on how they relate to those ideas. And those ideas are meant to be secured by the bill of rights. So if you would dismantle the bill of rights in whole or in part then I won't be supporting you.

 

Thank you for expounding. I would like to focus in on something you said. “You call yourself woke, thereby incorporating a bit of the enlightenment cachet”. This comes a bit more inline with my definition of woke, enlightenment being the operative word. If woke is associated with enlightenment, or perhaps better said the illusion of enlightenment, then I would argue that it applies to us all. We all think we are enlightened about things in which we are actually ignorant about. Are you not enlightened about the wokeness of the left? If so and if we connect woke to faux enlightenment then how can you be sure that you are free of faux enlightenment aka wokeness yourself?

 

Simply believing one is not into group think does not prove that one is not. Human nature is systemic with no exceptions to the rule. Sorry my friend, but I trust what sociologist with decades of experiment driven evidence say and what they say is that tribalism is our nature as is self deception. I can recommend some books on the subject if you like?

 

Woke is being awake to the nature and needs of others.
Christ would have been woke. He told the story of the good samaritan as a positive example and didn't criticise giving away " free stuff".
He didn't discriminate between men and women and encouraged treating your neighbour (whoever that may be) as yourself...clear across the board equality.
Very woke for those days. And for these.

 

WOKE = What Only Krazys Embrace

 

How does one tell the crazies from the sane if other than those that agree with us are sane and those that do not are not? I am of the opinion that none of us are pillars of psychological health and we all believe in crazy things which we perceive as sane.

 

Define woke in a way that does not apply to you or your favored political group.

Impossible. All the wokesters are from the left. Wokeness is political ideology and a dangerous one.

 

Sounds like you describe some aspects of the problem, but missed a lot.
Humanity is always a work in progress. What matters is the direction we move in and the objectives we seek to achieve. Perfection is not the pass/fail line in that pursuit, the bar should be to do the best we know how to do. Being less than perfect but staying on track is the way that makes societies work.

If we lose sight of values, start fixing what works with our theories of imagined utopias until it no longer works in today's reality, we are destroying ourselves.
There are certain values that simply are self-evident and will apply no matter what we imagine they should do. One of the most important to recognize is that you have the responsibility to control your own life, as everyone does. You cannot honor your responsibility to self when you attempt to take that power away from others; seek to impose your choices on them. Woke is precisely that kind of thing, an attitude that demands you think like I do or else you are punished. Get rid of all things that disagree with my view, so that I will have a perfect world. Incredibly stupid.

 

Basically "Anything I don't like" Used to be Marxism, socialism or "commie"

 

Well said.

Attempting to take power from others while seeking to impose one’s own choice upon them is the status quo of political parties. If woke is precisely that then all partisans are woke no matter party affiliation. An attitude that demands that you think like I do or else you are punished is also the status quo of authoritarian groups such as political parties. I think it was Nietzsche that said insanity is rare in the individual but the status quo of the group. I think the quote needs some added context but do think it applies to political parties and political partisanship.

 

~ The WOKE need to go back sleep ... "'

 

I believe that you are making this unnecessarily complex.

Quite simply, Woke means aware of and actively attentive to issues of racial and/or social justice. The adherents to its tenets are called Social Justice Warriors.

This definition has not one thing to do with in-group and out-group biases.

This definition is not a pejorative if you happen to be a Social Justice Warrior, rather it is a common term for how they choose to label themselves and their belief system. It is sometimes used as a pejorative by people that dislike Social Justice warriors, but those same people also use it as a simple adjective to describe the belief system of Social Justice Warriors.

This definition is not dependent upon people being "wrong and blind to their ignorance and malformed views while also being closed-minded to disconfirming evidence".

This definition is based solely upon the actual definition of political wokeness. It is not difficult to find, and its definition is NOT malleable to the whims of the speaker.

With all due respect, how you have twisted yourself into an intellectual pretzel in order to eventually come to the conclusion that we are all woke, strains credulity.

 

One of the problems with those who do not accept the notion of absolute truth is that they have no rule boundary with which to judge anything so everything becomes relative, and it is no longer about logic and reason but about feelings thoroughly divorced from both.

 

~ Too much psycho-babble going on in this thread ...

 

Believe it or not politicians with all their welfare gifts and the fact they hand out our tax money to other countries without the tax paying citizens challenging way they do that just might be a bit of the problem.