Democrats bill to allow abortion during labor

FoxHastings said: ↑
So you prefer that this "precious life" die a long lingering painful death rather than be humanely killed just because YOU think it's "murder" (which it is NOT) ?





I'm not surprised..... I always knew Anti-Choicers weren't really all about those "precious lives" ...


Do you ever plan on addressing posts rather than ducking the issue every time? Asking for a friend...

Of course you'll take it wrong...you have to, you have no facts, no rebuttal, no refutation....just your usual empty prattle..


And no matter how " misinterpret " what I posted...

A. Other posters can see I never posted that.

B. YOU STILL say: you prefer that this "precious life" die a long lingering painful death


How cruel and inhumane....

 

I understand. Some people prefer to protect human blood lines by humanely killing lives that aren't worth living.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So you prefer that this "precious life" die a long lingering painful death rather than be humanely killed just because YOU think it's "murder" (which it is NOT) ?





I'm not surprised..... I always knew Anti-Choicers weren't really all about those "precious lives" ...


Do you ever plan on addressing posts rather than ducking the issue every time? Asking for a friend...



Of course you'll take it wrong...you have to, you have no facts, no rebuttal, no refutation....just your usual empty prattle..


And no matter how " misinterpret " what I posted...

A. Other posters can see I never posted that.

B. YOU STILL say: you prefer that this "precious life" die a long lingering painful death


How cruel and inhumane....

Thank you for reposting my post where YOU STILL say: you prefer that this "precious life" die a long lingering painful death

 

Our discussion has probably arrived at a stalemate so I'll just post this last comment. If you feel comfortable making that decision to kill someone you think will die a lingering painful death anyway, then go for it. I think it's immoral.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So you prefer that this "precious life" die a long lingering painful death rather than be humanely killed just because YOU think it's "murder" (which it is NOT) ?





I'm not surprised..... I always knew Anti-Choicers weren't really all about those "precious lives" ...


Do you ever plan on addressing posts rather than ducking the issue every time? Asking for a friend...



Of course you'll take it wrong...you have to, you have no facts, no rebuttal, no refutation....just your usual empty prattle..


And no matter how " misinterpret " what I posted...

A. Other posters can see I never posted that.

B. YOU STILL say: you prefer that this "precious life" die a long lingering painful death


How cruel and inhumane....




Thank you for reposting my post where YOU STILL say: you prefer that this "precious life" die a long lingering painful death

Thank you for reposting my post where YOU STILL say: you prefer that this "precious life" die a long lingering painful death

 

Willya stop? Saying that a person who wants to abort a child that has turned out to have Down's that was undetectable up to the last month is the same as killing a 5 year old is bull **** and you know it

And cruel unfeeling bullshit too. Pro-lifers really DO have NO empathy with anyone that isn't in someone else's body

Do the anti-abortion types ever stop and think about the people actually getting the abortions and how they feel about it? I've never understood what the big fuss was with removing a wart but that's me and I've known girls where the guilt was a major problem and that's largely because of the "pro-lifers" who are generally just trying to keep women barefoot and pregnant because they know they can't really compete with them (or anyone else for that matter)

 

But one did not need to be a Christian, to see slavery as wrong. And, of course, most slave owners, and supporters of slavery were, likewise, Christians. So in a time when this was true of most people, it is hard to either blame or credit the faith, primarily, with most societal developments. Slavery was something that was broadly accepted in HUMAN societies, worldwide, for a long time. At a particular point in human history, people began to view it as wrong. I believe this applies to Christian, and non-Christian, societies, alike. The U.S. was actually lagging behind Europe, in this regard.

 

Important point... and here is another serious and disturbing observation.

In the past decades, as the cultural marxist progressives incrementally advanced their evil agendas... so-called "conservatives" retreated in tandem with the cultural marxists' advances. Then conservatives themselves would move to the left to "conserve" the new immoral ground the cultural marxists had conquered! Many call them "neo-conservatives" [neocons], but they appear to be the majority now. So today, I refuse to call myself "conservative" when there is no longer anything of value to "conserve"... thanks to those "conservatives" who kept retreating until they willingly surrendered everything to the marxists.

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This is the reason I am not longer a Republican. If they refuse to be a legitimate conservative party I damn sure won't support them.

 

You don’t get the concept of euthanasia do you?
Many of those who are “late abortions” have “neural tube defects” which is where the brain and spinal column do not close over during foetal development and the foetus has no skipull and very little to no brain - it is called anencephaly

Again these are. WANTED LOVED pregnancies that have gone tragically wrong. Often the mother fees extreme guilt and they certainly develop severe depression and some even become acutely suicidal. If you had bothered to read my post on the Irish case the woman started to develop HELLP syndrome - not an unknown phenomena with abnormal pregnancies.

It then becomes a choice of “lose one or lose both”

 

No, it isn't. Might I suggest you read the plethora of dissertations on the subject.

Liberals swore up and down on the graves of their grandchildren that the result of Roe v Wade would only affect 1st Trimester abortions. Conservatives argued the Slippery Slope, that abortion "rights" would be constantly and continually expanded to encompass damn near everything except the kitchen sink.

Like I said, give Liberals an inch and they'll take a parsec, which is exactly what they've done here.

 

False equivalence

 

Just curious. How does one "see slavery is wrong" other than that perception is the current cultural norm? The same way people today perceive [what used to be "living in sin"] promiscuity, homosexuality and abortion are "good"

Reminds me of a Bible verse = Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil... Isaiah 5:20

Slavery was widely practiced in the ancient world by many diverse peoples.

Not only is slavery codified in God's Biblical law, Christians [REAL Christians] are called "slaves" of Christ.

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Absolutely it is an issue of privacy - this is why the courts failed in the case of Bayliss here in Qld. The police raided the abortion clinic and then could not prosecute because they could use any of the information in court as the women who had been seen in that clinic refused to allow the use of thier private medical information in the court case. It is likely the Texas law will run into the same issues.

 

Well, to answer your enigmatic contribution to the discussion directly: all people-- it should not need to be explained-- do not see right & wrong exactly as whatever is, "the current cultural norm." This, in part, accounts for why norms change. Is that helpful? And could you perhaps clearly state how your perspective relates to the subject at hand, next time? You appear, here, to be saying that slavery is not wrong, based on the fact that it appears in the Bible. While you are free to believe that, if you are caught practicing slavery, you will go to prison, because our society has made it illegal. This is how human law generally works, FYI, that whatever the majority (or the cultural norm) see as wrong is criminalized, and whatever is seen as acceptable behavior, is legal. Now that I've hopefully cleared that up, the discussion, here, is not about slavery, but abortion and euthanasia, in a very select circumstance.

 

Baloney.

 

It sure sounds like you are trying to justify killing "imperfect" babies.

D isn't only for Democrat, it's also disgusting.

 

Um no. Roe v wade ensures legal abortions before viability. Back when the decision was made that was something like 28 weeks, in the early 3rd trimester. Now it's more like 23-24 weeks, in the 2nd trimester. So roe v wade only becomes inactive after viability. Not just 1st trimester. States could still try to allow late term abortions after 24 weeks, but it wouldn't have anything to do with roe v wade.

 

This isn’t federally protected. It’s illegal to kill a baby as it’s being born, but I guess that explains what MTG was yelling about a few days ago.

 

Haven’t read any genetic textbooks have you? Are you aware of Turners syndrome or Klienefelters syndrome? Are you aware of a phenomena called mosaicism or of gene expression?

 

Against the same “Christian’s” who were validating slavery

 

I’m pleased to see you admit Christian activists are credited with advancing the abolitionist movement not only in the U.S. but around the globe.

 

And WHO would kill a baby as it is being born? I mean nowadays we do a Caesar so decapitating the foetus to save the mother during obstructed labour is no longer necessary

 

Working against “christians’ who were using that same bike for validation? The same “christians” who today are attempting to enslave women?

 

I think you mean attempting to protect innocent human life. Recognizing the human worth of black slaves but killing off black human life in the womb doesn’t sound like a great leftist plan.