Democrats bill to allow abortion during labor

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Darthcervantes, Sep 24, 2021.

  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    58,376
    Likes Received:
    4,438
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Care to point to what is inaccurate? Your opinion that it is "silly emotional" and "biased" doesnt make it inaccurate.
     
  2. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, but it appeals to the silly and emotional, factually inaccurate and heavily biased people around us...;)
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  3. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What "crazy Democrat stuff" ???

    You'll have to point out which question that is......there are so many that Anti-Choicers can't/won't answer that I can't always keep track of them...

    Anti-Choicers get so embarrassed by not being able to answer those INCONVENIENT questions that they have to put me on ignore :)
     
    cd8ed and Bowerbird like this.
  4. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    91,877
    Likes Received:
    73,632
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Who and where would they kill the foetus during labour?
     
    Durandal and kiwimac like this.
  5. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    55,518
    Likes Received:
    27,044
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And who on earth would opt to have an abortion at that point? The stuff these alt-right fake news outlets come up with is just pathetic.
     
    kiwimac and Bowerbird like this.
  6. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    91,877
    Likes Received:
    73,632
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Thing is that historically this was the intervention for obstructed labor and having watched a documentary on a Neolithic grave they found with a woman and three baby skeletons I can understand why. They could not quite work it out until they realised that the woman was pregnant with triplets - the first was born the second became sick as it was breech and the third died in utero when the woman died.
     
  7. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,633
    Likes Received:
    11,204
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah but that is 1% of a lot of abortions, so still a big number.

    A while back I did a calculation estimating that about 14000 elective abortions are done each year in the US past 14 weeks gestation. What some might call "later term" (if not literally "late term").

    Just to put that into perspective, that is about equal to the number of annual gun homicides.

    "elective" meaning there were no valid or out of the ordinary medical reasons for her to abort.
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2021
  8. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    91,877
    Likes Received:
    73,632
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    So, what will you do about it? There are reportedly between 600,000 and 4 million frozen embryos

    https://www.iflg.net/abandoned-embryos/

    https://www.researchgate.net/public...practices_in_IVF_clinics_in_the_United_States
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  9. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    91,877
    Likes Received:
    73,632
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Goal shift much? That is pre viability. The reasons for pre-viability abortions differ from post-viability abortions
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  10. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,633
    Likes Received:
    11,204
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well you are right. This thread is about abortions during labor.

    Anyway, don't you think it is reasonable to have a doctor who is accountable for making sure the woman had an adequate reason for termination after a certain gestational period of time?
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2021
  11. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    91,877
    Likes Received:
    73,632
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Not when you goal post shift

    Now perhaps you can answer the question - who and why would a woman want an abortion during labour?
     
  12. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,633
    Likes Received:
    11,204
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There's always that bad apple out of the barrel.

    Killing babies as they exit the womb should have some safeguards in place.
    You know, just to make sure only the babies society approves of dying will die.
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2021
  13. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    91,877
    Likes Received:
    73,632
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    So - why? And how would they know that the others in the room would go along with it? This makes no sense - it is like putting lifeguards on a beach that is never used.
    Meanwhile “putting safeguards in place would simply be replicating what is already there - reporting of infant mortality. Surely you have a reporting mechanism for deaths of post viability infants and in the meantime you would set up a mechanism that would punish women experiencing still birth

    upload_2021-9-29_9-37-30.png
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  14. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    91,877
    Likes Received:
    73,632
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    More on still birth

    upload_2021-9-29_9-42-20.jpeg
    A large proportion we have no idea of why they die during delivery. I am just glad this anti- abortion crusade has not yet glommed onto stillbirths and started blaming these devastated families of “abortion during birth”
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  15. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    10,432
    Likes Received:
    4,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Search my posts, I have stated my support for abortion several times in the past, and I still maintain that support. Killing babies being born is some crazy Democrat stuff, that I do not support. Y'all and us are not the same.
     
    Giftedone likes this.
  16. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    91,877
    Likes Received:
    73,632
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    It is NOT an “actual thing” it is a slur and a fallacy that has the potential to rile up some of the more extreme wings of this
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  17. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    10,432
    Likes Received:
    4,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I am glad to see it disgusts you too. It is indeed "a thing" though.
     
  18. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    91,877
    Likes Received:
    73,632
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Is it? Can you point to one case of abortion during labour - i mean in this century since we developed the ability to perform survivable Caesarian sections
     
  19. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    113

    ... who and why would a woman want an abortion during labour?"""


    You didn't answer that.... """""There's always that bad apple out of the barrel.""""" doesn't answer the question..
     
  20. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    91,877
    Likes Received:
    73,632
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I notice that no one has actually answered that question
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  21. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gee, maybe reading it would help:

    The congressional Democrats’ abortion bill would require all 50 states to allow abortion after viability until birth if a lone “health care provider” determines the pregnancy “poses a risk” to “the pregnant patient’s” mental health. https://congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3755/text… https://nationalreview.com/2019/05/democrats-late-term-abortion-position-increasingly-extreme/


    And, right now women have a right to abortion at any time if it's a risk to their physical health...sometimes a matter of THEIR life or death.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  22. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,506
    Likes Received:
    7,247
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Utilitarianism is profoundly evil and has taken over modern society completely.
     
  23. GlobalCitizen

    GlobalCitizen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    8,330
    Likes Received:
    1,209
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They must allow abortion until birth because they cannot develop any principles that justify limiting something that the vast majority of Americans' principles make them recoil at.
     
  24. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    58,376
    Likes Received:
    4,438
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The Doctor at the abortion clinic or maternity ward.
     
  25. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The congressional Democrats’ abortion bill would require all 50 states to allow abortion after viability until birth if a lone “health care provider” determines the pregnancy “poses a risk” to “the pregnant patient’s” mental health. https://congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3755/text… https://nationalreview.com/2019/05/democrats-late-term-abortion-position-increasingly-extreme/


    And, right now women have a right to abortion at any time if it's a risk to their physical health...sometimes a matter of THEIR life or death.
     

Share This Page