Democrats file HR 420 to legalize pot

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  1. Well Bonded

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    And that's not a lot of people admitting to using pot, though I am willing to bet the actual number is much, pardon the pun, higher.

    Now while I am not a user, I find the industry interesting and am thinking about investing some money into it. I have been researching it for about six months now and it seems to me to be on the edge of really taking off, which could make it a decent investment to get into on the upside.
     
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    It was called a wedding feast, and it lasted all week, and they drank wine, - real wine. Drink, and be merry. It would be an interesting to compare notes on it, but we seem to agree it is not the topic here.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some industries in certain areas (usually liberal), it is practically impossible to fire anyone for any reason.
     
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    We covered nine states, so that can hardly be considered "certain areas."
     
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    Of course they can be considered "certain areas".
     
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    Not at all, HR policies are the same across the entire service region and trying to can someone over smoking pot is basically a non-starter, neither HR, nor corporate asset protection (security) wants to touch it.

    It's too minor of a problem and too expensive to prosecute for them to get involved with.
     
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    It is up them to decide whether or not they want to get rid of drug users. If they don't mind keeping them, that's fine. It's their company, and their call.
     
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    Anything that intoxicates you is causing harm, and yes, that includes alcohol. I'm not anti-pot, I really don't care if it's legalized recreationally or not. I think it should be legalized federally for medicinal purposes. That said, it's not as benign as it's made out by pro-pot people (just like it's not as bad as the anti-pot people claim).
     
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    What is ignored in this thread is that law enforcement and the court systems have limited resources. The question is how best to use these resources. Should they be used pursuing a relatively harmless drug like MJ or should they be concentrated on meth, opiates and other drugs that kill and ruin lives?
     
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    With this I fully agree, the less of anything anyone can put into their body, other than what is required to live is a danger.

    That stated, I believe pot is considerably less dangerous to society than alcohol is.
     
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    Excellent post, and addition to that list is the cost of incarceration.

    Does it make sense to sentence people for crimes of multiple years, where they are the only victim of their crime, (possession)?
     
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    Pot doesn't do anything like what even caffeine does, harmwise. The worst things about it are 1) like all psychoactives it can bring out a pre-existing but as yet unexpressed mental health condition and 2) it does spike your blood pressure a bit for the first hour, which if you have a pre-existing heart issue can cause issues with that as well, 3) as with all psychoactives developing individuals should not be dosed unless there is a truly specific need. Which would lead to a tangent about giving 6 year olds amphetamine and thinking that is just honky ****ing dorry but I digress.

    It has been correlated against lung cancer so you can't use that argument. The short term memory issues some people experience go away after use stops. The minor irritation it can cause to the lungs is likewise by studies shown to disappear after you stop smoking. They can't even link it to COPD. Leaving aside that smoking isn't the only vector for use. Just what harms are you pointing to in the average adult recreational user? Note: The average user is not someone with a heart condition or as yet unexpressed mental health condition. Those are far outliers, like people who are allergic to alcohol.

    I'm "pro pot" (actually pro liberty and constitutionally restrained government but hey you call it what you like) and I don't make it out to be some miracle cure, fix everything for everyone, has no possible harmful side effects kind of thing. Its not anywhere near being deadly, like essentially every other psychoactive and its rather minor side effects don't rise to the cancer, cirrhosis, you melted the inside of your sinuses with cocaine etc level, leading me, a reasonable person, to consider it "not dangerous". That being said, its harms mentioned above, but for the BP spike, are not unique to it. Its just as safe as caffeine, and in fact far more so since too much caffeine will literally kill you and you physically cannot imbibe enough weed to harm yourself in similar fashion. According to the DEA its far less addictive as well, to be almost negligible. They have caffeine even with crack cocaine for addictive potential, for example.
     
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    Excellent post, thanks.
     
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    I don't think many people get jail time for possession anymore. However, what is worse is that a possession conviction can keep a young person from getting a good job. Many companies treat a possession conviction the same as a DWI.
     
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    Yes, that is a valid point. Here in S.Florida, they don't arrest people for possession anymore, they just write a ticket and let you go. This also means it will not stain your record, and will not show up in employment related background checks. Ft Lauderdale is an exception, since they opted out of this approach. They might still arrest you for possession.
     
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    It is called a "notice to appear" and does show up in the FDLE database, therefore it will also kick up a hit in NCIC.

    That stated unless an employer specifically runs (pays for) an FLDE record check, an NTA will not show up.

    Now if someone is trying to get a job that requires a security clearance, then the NTA will show up and will need to be explained.
     
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    BTW, FHP will also arrest and impound the vehicle of someone found in possession of more than an ounce.
     
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    It seems you are correct. By paying the ticket you plead guilty to misdemeanor crime, which will indeed show up in your record.

    http://feller-law.com/2017/01/26/just-a-ticket-for-marijuana-possession/

    Marijuana Possession is Still Illegal
    It’s a common mistake to think that no arrest means no criminal charge. Carefully reading the ticket reveals something different. You’ll notice that paying the ticket means you plead guilty to a misdemeanor crime and waive your Constitutional rights. While you may not have to go to jail or court, paying that ticket now means you’re a convicted criminal. And there are many consequences to that conviction, including:

    • Mandatory driver’s license revocation;
    • Ineligibility for some government employment;
    • Ineligibility for Bright Futures Scholarships and other forms of State financial aid;
    • Interference with State licensing, permitting, and certifications without completion of an approved drug treatment program;
    • Ineligibility for public housing;
    • Interference with employment prospects and college applications;
    • Damage to reputation.
     
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    It's worth noting in Broward County and probably others as well, going to court and pleading no contest, the court withhold adjudication, which equals no record, however the court will also assess "court costs" usually around $250 in lieu of a fine which the court cannot impose on a withheld adjudication.

    None the less it is always best to avoid any interaction with the legal system in Broward, as that is one effed up county.
     
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    Somebody has been pulling your chain. The wine depicted in the wedding story contained alcohol. The wine used for the Eucharist (drank at the last supper) contained alcohol - Obviously since that tradition is maintained to this day. That the Fundamentalists changed the most sacred ritual in Christianity is a preposterous anathema to the faith.

    In Deuteronomy 14 - in reference to Tithing.
    Here we have God fully accepting, and even recommending drinking of both beer and wine. The idea that the wedding and Eucharist wine was non fermented grape juice is preposterous nonsense.
     
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    Yep. Weird things happen here in Broward county. Somehow we always manage to make the news in a negative way.
     

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