Democrats Introduce Sweeping Plan To ‘End The Criminalization Of Immigration’

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  1. Aquarius

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    Lol, if you are born in America you have it big. There are people digging through garbage sifting for recyclables for chances to live.
     
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    I have actually been to third world countries, instead of watching television. These countries are corrupt crap holes and will never prosper until the people rise up and make some changes. Instead most of them just accept the corruption and expect pity. Sorry, not getting it from me. They need to keep their grinding poverty and corrupt governments away from my country.
     
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    There is plenty of land in America. Plenty of want to be immigrants that love America who want to come here and prosper
     
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    Yeah? So? They just have to work harder than others that is all. There is ALWAYS going to be someone more advantaged than the other. It's impossible to make everyone the same. Especially since not everyone IS the same. Some people are dumber than others. Some are stronger than others. Some are faster than others. Some are richer than others.... and the list goes on and on and on. It is a part of life. Best thing anyone can do is try their hardest. And even that won't guarantee success.
     
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    Yes, the US has lots of land. But there's more than just land to consider when thinking about immigration. Far more. For example: Who's going to police the areas that they live in? Who's going to provide them healthcare? How much additional food will be needed to be cultivated/slaughtered to feed millions upon millions of immigrants per year? Who's going to teach them long enough to where they start becoming a net gain for our economy? (roughly 18-24 years depending on field of study and starting from kindergarten) How are you going to handle the hugely diverse language differences? IE: Do we have enough interpreters for such?

    It's not near as simple as you want it to be.
     
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    America has an aging population. This is something that needs consideration in the mix.
     
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    America has LOTS of problems. Yet Dems want to create more. *shakeshead*
     
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    Democrats need more unskilled, uneducated minions to dominate. Without them, they have no real power anymore.... the dream of plantation is slipping away from them unless they can continue to import their slave class to demonstrate their superiority to...
     
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    Who taught them to be corrupt and then enabled them?
     
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    But if you can't speak English and have no useful job skills you won't be much better off here than there. Those countries need to be cleaned up. And no I'm not saying we should do it.
     
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    uh, no... they want to live in the existing big cities, collecting welfare, food stamps & free healthcare... none of them will move into those vacant land areas you speak of...

    anywho, here's a thought, invite a full family of migrants to live in your household/residence and supply them with all their needs ;)
     
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    Socialists.
     
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    We need an impenetrable wall with a large gate.

    Eradicate illegal immigration and increase legal immigration.
     
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    Sure, but flooding the country with poverty will not do that. There are many unintended consequences from open borders. Disease and crime are just two.
     
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    I've seen the same. Sometimes things get so out of hand that people really do need to rise up and start kicking ass. Those that want to import people who refuse to kick ass need to be exported.
     
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    Wow. Just wow.

    You seriously need to watch this.

     
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    when you open border supporters are cornered in a dark alley by MS-13 illegals, mugged, raped and permanently disfigured, don't come looking in here for any sympathy. We will just laugh in your face (what's left of it)
     
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    It wouldn't be illegal immigration if the borders were more free.

    I listened to about half of it before I realized where the strawman is.

    What are the 4 things that pass through borders?
     
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    Do you fear their violence?
     
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    Where's the strawman?
     
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    I have no idea where to start.
    1. The idea is that the work they're doing in Haiti isn't actually what they should be getting paid if the free market was in play. Why not move to some place where you get paid for the same amount of work?
    2.He's starting a new business up because there are market incentives. Look past your ethnocentric views and think about why we like Pizza stateside so much-it's for the exact same reason the Haitian is starting up a restaurant. There's a market niche that immigrants and only immigrants can fulfill.
    3. It takes about 3 generations to fully integrate people into a culture. So of course by your standard it's a failure. You're setting the standard too high when people know where the actually standard is.
    4. Yeah it is. U.S. industrialization at the turn of the 20th century relied on immigrant labor. Heck that's not even considering internal immigration brought about by changes to agriculture technology. The haciendas in Mexico were born out of getting peasants off the farm and into factories.
     
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    Answer the question.

    What are the 4 things that move through borders?
     
  23. Creasy Tvedt

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    I'm not jumping through your hoops.

    Where's the strawman?
     
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    Aww, don't like it? Then figure out why you don't like it because until then, the globalist argument > to whatever your response is.
     
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    I take it you don't actually know. The four things that go through borders are people, goods, services and ideas. Open border arguments address all four of these ideas. Did the person in the video address all four of these, or only people? Maybe the guy goes onto to explain the relationship between the rest, but in the video clip he only addresses the one, people.
     

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