Democrats Introduce Sweeping Plan To ‘End The Criminalization Of Immigration’

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    The gumballs represented people.

    A first world country foolish enough to throw open their borders wide open would quickly be overwhelmed by 3rd-world poor at a much faster rate than those poor could ever be assimilated and the benefits of their services and ideas would be a positive that would outweigh the negative of the resources and services they'd consume before they became net contributors.

    In a word... collapse.

    A prosperous country without borders is prosperous no more, and it's no longer a country at all.
     
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    So in other words... strawman. The arguments aren't just about people, but includes other important ideas and concepts that it make it impossible to just talk about people alone.
     
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    you forgot #5, oxygen, which moves freely across all borders, yet some neglect to make use of it...


    btw, #4 ideas can be passed along even through the most tightly closed borders
     
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    I would actually say #5 is Nitrogen, but that might be a personal preference. Stupid O2, I hate it so much. Only two spots for valence electrons my butt, Nitrogen has 3! Easily much better than Oxygen.

    Not really, and we can use PF to prove it. The reason I can talk to you and spread ideas is because the internet is available with few restrictions on what can be said or done. But imagine PF had all sorts of limits, like how often a person can post, certain ideas can't be said etc. Would the flow of information continue as it does now or would it be restricted?
     
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    physical borders work when they are actually enforced, they even allow all 4 of your pointless points to flow through... the internet flows because it is not reality...
     
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    I can't watch youtube videos because of restrictions based on which country I live in. PF can easily do the same.
     
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    The U.S. needs to control immigration. If we don’t, New York and L.A. would be like South Asia within two generations.
     
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    This after they just appropriated $5 billion to protect Jordan's borders.
     
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    ***ARGH....my brain is going into spasms***
     
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    Why is that a problem?

    I am interested in knowing whether or not the human body can clean up its own mess after its brain explodes. Probably not but you know what they say about one black swan.
     
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    They want to overturn the IIRAIRA &AEDPA laws passed under the Clinton administration in 1996 and eliminate FOR PROFIT immigration prisons.And end the family child separation policies we currently have.
     
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    Sounds like a desire to deflect and move the goal posts to me.

    Goods, services, and ideas don't eat, aren't educated, and don't require healthcare. Trying to equate humans to stuff to validate free entry is the only fallacy.
     
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    Food doesn't take up space in warehouses? Books filled with ideas don't take up space in libraries? Businesses that sell their services don't take up spaces in malls? My argument is open borders arguments are going to take into account all four of these. By saying one is the problem and only because of one, it makes a strawman. Why? Because open borders arguments are going to say that the other ideas take care of those issues. So they miss the point entirely.
     
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    Food doesn't take up space in a warehouse if there aren't people to consume it, books in libraries are unnecessary if nobody reads them, and businesses without customers don't stay open long.

    People is the common denominator. The rest is missing the forest for the trees.
     
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    Right, good job. People are the common denominator, but that's not the argument is it? People eat food, and food is made by people. Books are made by people, for people. Services are done by people for other people. I can also just as easily swap out anyone of those ideas for another. Food is made by services, and services come about because of ideas in manufacturing. It's all four of these things working together that makes the open borders argument possible. To say food is needed for people, and people are the common denominator is simply just not the case, and a strawman against these arguments.
     
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    We don’t want to be like South Asia because that’s a different culture. We need to keep American values, culture, and institutions intact for future generations.

    If someone truly admired Asian or African culture, that’s fine. They can move there.

    The left sometimes get their knickers in a twist when Western culture changes non-Western cultures. But they don’t care when the third world moves here and changes our culture. Hypocrisy?
     
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    Why though? Why not adopt South Asian culture? Whatever that means.
     
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    "Democrats Introduce Sweeping Plan To ‘End The Criminalization Of Immigration’"

    fake news

    per the quote, they are addressing some of the issues in current laws, nothing more

    “correct racial and anti-immigrant injustices embedded in our immigration laws,”

    really it's a class thing, people like Trump's wife have a much easier time coming here due to $$$
     
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    I support the Democrats doing this because it will mean they will never get elected again
     
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    Sure it is. According to the video that identified the impact of open borders, "people" was precisely the point.

    Sorry, but no. I don't think you understand the NUMBER of people in the world, and the level of poverty.

    I get it, you think you can fix the world by opening up our borders and our culture and spread it around the planet. Its a noble perspective. However; it isn't feasible.

    If you would have taken the time to watch the entire video, it would have showed you that we have no way to help these hugely impoverished countries. Especially not through immigration.

    Any portion of land can only sustain a certain number of people. There are limits to natural resources like water, energy, and food. Not to mention physical limitations. Land is abundantly available, but fixing the worlds problems by brining people here would decimate our natural environment, over crowd our urban centers, and repurpose farm land to livable space.

    The video that counters your perspective perfectly explains that the problems in these third world impoverished countries has to do with many factors: corruption, breeding excessively, lack of resources. Try watching the video again.

    Opening the borders, though is a humanitarian cause, would absolutely decimate this country.

    Your'e going in circles.

    - You claimed opening the borders to PEOPLE is a good thing.

    - Somebody posted a video with the facts of how emigrating PEOPLE won't fix world wide poverty

    - You claim that is a strawman because there are other things that come across the border

    - I claim that all of those things are based on people and thus are a non-factor

    - You claim strawman


    It would appear that YOU trying to bring those other factors into a conversation about PEOPLE would be the strawman.
     

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