Democrats Officially Pick Up 40 Seats as GOP Rep. David Valadao Finally Concedes

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    I did not say that Democrats hold more Governor seats than Republicans. I said they gained 7 more and I said that more Americans live in States with Democratic governors than in States with Republican governors. Both are factually correct.

    And seriously, you dont get to dismiss a best result since Watergate by one measure and a best result of any party in US history by another measure as "sucking less than previously."
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Uh, what? Lol to your first stat. My brain never even went there, because it provides no insight whatsoever. Not relevant in any way, except in the head of people who need some sort of stat to prove how awesome they are. Your stat basically says, "more populated states are more populated." Okay, yeah. Sure.

    Maybe best result for democrats since Watergate, but Obama lost 63 house seats and Clinton lost 52. Trump only lost 40. Both 52 & 63 are more than 40. It's nice how you keep admitting that the republicans do midterms better than the democrats, though.

    Lol. Keep patting yourself on the back, because nobody other than hyper partisans on the left agree. We're just all over here waiting for your meltdown to be over. It's better for the entire country when both parties are strong.
     
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    You hate both parties so it makes no sense to claim that you want both parties strong.

    Your brain being unable to comprehend the wording or the relevance of the stat that more people live in states controlled by a democratic governor than live in states controlled by Republican governor is your problem. It is a statistic that changed in 2018 and it is an important statistic because the political alignment of the governors in those more populous states has an important affect on more than 50% of Americans - including the ability to improve voting access and control of voting districts.

    Finally, you keep thinking that I am dismissing the wave elections of 94 and 2010. I am not. They existed and by several measures were larger. They also took place 24 and 8 years ago respectively and thus, have no relevance on the election of 2018 except in the minds of partisan cherrypickers.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I hate both parties. Since my dream of a 3rd party will not happen in my lifetime, it is in my best interest to have them both be strong. You prefer it with the R team strong and the D team weak? I do not, nor do I want it the other way. When one party can run roughshod over the other party, the country loses.

    There is no relevance that more people live under D control. By no relevance, I mean that no specific policies will be put into place due to that stat. Nothing will change for the better or worse because of that stat. When meaningless stats is all you have, you go with it. You would not be crying a river if more people lived under republican governors. You would not complain one bit. Reason? It's not important, in any way, to our day to day lives.
     
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    MrTLegal owns this page. His analysis hits the mark straight and true.

    Curious Always simply misunderstands the real importance of party politics to Americans.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OMG! Two hyper partisan lefties agree with each other? Shocking.
     
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    carlosofcali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Republicans characterize themselves as victims of discrimination. They blame universities/ media/ Hollywood/ today accusing Google of bias. Consider the California Republicans who lost Orange county. Who would vote for such bigotry/ ignorance? There aren't many left in this state who want anything to do with Republicans.

    "Rohrabacher's exit closes the door on O.C.’s particular brand of hard-right politics" https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-me-rohrabacher-end-of-political-brand-20181210-story.html

     
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    The wave is hitting the shore's - careful or you will get your towel wet. This is despite Blue doing everything in its power put up dikes.
     
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    They're there, they're just drowned out. The state has taken in a huge amount of immigration.

    Have you seen the housing prices? Not exactly a place to raise a family.

    Yes, there are some (more remote) parts of the state that are still red, but the vast majority of the state's population doesn't live there.
     
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    Keep in mind that the mayor of San Diego is a Republican but he forcefully separates himself from today's GOP and sees no future for his party especially during Trump's psychotic reign. Additionally Faulconer deals with a veto majority Democratic city council.
     
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    San Diego has a very expensive cost of living, but good-paying jobs are there to pay for that cost of homes (even if people still struggle with the housing prices a little bit) and there are a large number of people from other parts of the country (a big Chinese, smaller Vietnamese community who lives there too) who come for jobs and quality of living (in terms of climate, scenery and attractions, not affordability).

    Also because they're right next to the border, there's a little bit of uneasiness about too many poor immigrants from Mexico coming in, even though they appreciate Mexican culture (in terms of food, entertainment, architecture, and historical heritage).

    San Diego is also spread out and much more suburban than other big cities in the country with this level of population.
    I would say San Diego still has a thriving middle class, and a fair to medium number of industries left (pharmaceutical, insurance, real estate, and of course tourism). It can be difficult for people with middle class incomes to live there, but still very possible (if they are not lower middle class incomes). There is of course a Mexican immigrant class to do the lower level jobs, but they are not really part of the same culture, and are not really tied to living there because the area is so close to Mexico. (So for example when they retire they might go back to Mexico, or they might only stay temporarily and move on North in a few years, so the immigrant workforce is more transient in nature, they couldn't afford to keep living there if they stopped working 60 hours a week)

    For all these reasons, the San Diego area leans Republican.
     
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    You only wish, weren't you a closet Berniebot in 2016?

    If we'd have run him Trump would have take the popular vote too. At least Hillary made you have to cheat..
     
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    Did this make sense in your head before posting?
     
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    Another revealing article illustrating the demise of anything "Republican" in California and pointing out that even "safe" [generally non-partisan] elected office of local governments are being purged by California voters of all Republicans. The decline/ decimation of the GOP has been occurring for some time in California but now is being accelerated in warp speed due to Trump.


    "Local government was a last bastion for struggling California Republicans. Not anymore" https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-on-politics-column-20181217-story.html
     
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    Wait. What? You are proud of California..... where the streets are literally lined with human ****?
     
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    You show me a city that does not have human **** in the streets and I will show you a city that has zero humans.
     
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    Not sure where you've lived, but I've moved around quite a bit in my 52 years, and I've yet to encounter it. I have a friend in San Francisco who smells it the moment he steps outside, and another friend in San Diego who has the same issue. How are you not horrified by this?

    Friend A is moving as soon as he can get out of there and friend B has already purchased a house in Joshua Tree to get away from it.

    I rate your claim "pants on fire." Most people in this country do not have to walk over **** & needles to move around their towns.
     
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    You know there's no such thing as the house/senate popular vote - right?
     
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    It is a statistic that has existed and been recorded for over a hundred years.

    And it matters because it can be used as a real world proxy for measuring the degree of support for a political brand and ideology. The message that should have been received (but was not for most Trumpettes) is that Trump's base is not enough.
     
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    Interesting that you allude to human waste while discussing Republicans and arguably one could suggest that the GOP "wasted" every opportunity to secure influence in a state that they once had considerable standing. I've mentioned before that California has had many Republican governors/ mayors but that was when, like Reagan, Republicans were concerned about the environment, raised taxes when necessary & focused on improving infrastructure, supported women's rights/ gay rights. That kind of Republican is gone now for the most part and simply why Republicans are going/ going/ gone in the most populous/ popular state in the nation.
     
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    Well, I wouldn't want to live in a place where I can't open my windows due to the overwhelming scent of human feces. It's good we all have choices, eh? Stay stinky, California. I've been wanting to see San Francisco for some time, but I'm going to hold out until they soap down the place and convince the residents to use toilets.

    PS - You've net lost 1 million residents in the last decade.
     
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    Yeah the millions of tourists are issued wooden clothespins upon entering California :eyepopping:
     
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    Many consider Nixon's "Southern Strategy" as the beginning of Republican decline. All those confederate Dixiecrats sought refuge from civil rights. As governor, Reagan never spoke of religion in secular society. Biblebelt Texas is antithetical to the kind of Republican California is accustomed to. Amazing that several of the congressional Democrats who took over in Orange county were formally Republicans.
     
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    Who better than the co author of Nixon's Southern Strategy...

    Short excerpt:

    The Neocons and Nixon’s Southern Strategy

     
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