Democrats' Support for Far Right Candidates

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  1. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't position themselves on the staff of other candidates in order to sabatoge their campaigns.
     
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    If you're going to be in an election and your potential opponents are split between a rational person and a narrative driven Trump boot licker, who would you rather go up against? At the end of the day it is still the voters who decide on the candidates, just like it always is. If you live in a state where Democrats can vote in Republican primaries, and vice versa, maybe you should attempt to get that policy changed if you're worried about it. And since money is speech, are you really condemning those Democrats giving their speech/money to whomever they choose?

    Besides, now that this has emerged as a publicized tactic, the Republicans and far-right groups will start doing the same. Will you condemn them too?
     
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    Wouldn’t this equate to election tampering?
     
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    If they do, and that's a big if. So is this you, condemning the democrats though? It doesn't seem to be.
     
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    Democrats would tell you it isn't "tampering", They get to tell you who you can vote for. Just like China...
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    No. Campaign contributions are free speech.
     
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    When a party is doing it I wouldn’t say it’s quite the same
     
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    Still free speech. In any case, I doubt the contributions are formally from any party.
     
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    I can't find any info preventing the practice. However, as a donor to a Party, I might object to my donations going to the campaign of an opposing Party candidate. I wouldn't financially support an opposing Party candidate, but I might vote for them in a primary.
     
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    After 4 years of Trumpism why wouldn't Democrats do anything they darn well like to gain power?

    It was "all bets are off, own the libs" during those years so why should they be getting out the Kumbaya ukuleles just because the "R"s say so now?
     
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    They will have become their enemy -- the worst defeat of all.
     
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    Perhaps they'll finally be learning to do what it takes to win?
     
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    I just think it super risky. Also, my sister is a radical lefty and is outraged that money she contributes goes to such people.
    Maybe a civil fraud charge? I hope not. This seems risky and dangerous but as you write, withing political bounds of free speech.

    https://www.ramanmedianetwork.com/pied-piper-strategy-how-hillary-clinton-helped-trump-win/
     
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    Or to lose the point of winning.
     
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    So the former Republican President and single most important figure in the GOP is supporting a far right candidate, but Democrats are the bad guys? Right. Refusing to take responsibility really is a core conservative value.

    Maybe Republicans should just stop supporting extremists. I know, not going to happen.
     
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    Most of the funding for those far right candidates comes from Democrats. Republicans are supporting more moderate candidates.
     
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    Sorry, that is just straight out avoidance. Trump is supporting these people and so are Republican voters. They are a GOP creation.
     
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    But most of their money is from Democrats. Without the Democrats' money they would be uncompetitive and would lose.
     
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    I totally agree with S.E. Cupp comments starting at the 9:11 mark of this video.

     
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    I think it’s so incredibly funny that this cuck Meijer… who thought he was reaching across the aisle, showing his moderate chops, giving an olive branch to the Dems and supporting trumps impeachment… just got beat because the Dems screwed him. Bahahahah

    Hearing him bleat about how he got trashed by both sides of the aisle… and he can’t believe it happened. omg so ****ing hilarious lol
     
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    Hypocritical? No.

    Good strategy trying to win a seat? Yes.
     
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    I think Democrats are secretly afraid of moderate Republicans. And if a more extreme conservative Right Republican gets elected, then it will just help feed the narrative they (Progressive Democrats) want to believe and create, with the stereotypes about Republicans.

    But one downfall for Progressive Democrats, I think, is that they live in such a bubble and are unwilling to see views outside their own that sometimes they do use dirty tactics to get a farther Right Republican candidate elected, thinking there's no way the majority of the voters could possibly elect them, but then sometimes it happens. Because the majority of the population does not really see things like they (Progressive Democrats) do.

    Remember that the Democrat-leaning media was fanning the flames to help Trump win the Republican nomination, assuming at the time it would be a godsend to them. Several leading Democrats even said on live TV they hoped Trump would win the nomination, with the implication that it would ultimately lead to a Republican loss of the election.

    And I think that is true in the case of Peter Meijer too. His opponent, John Gibbs, might actually be a more popular candidate, even though the Democrats do not believe so. The Democrats are betting though that since Meijer voted to impeach Trump, he may have a better chance of picking up some Democrat-leaning voters and possibly winning an election, so they don't want him to get the nomination.
     
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    I think you meant:
    Hypocritical? Yes

    Good strategy to win the seat? Perhaps
     

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