Democrats won the House, but Trump won the election

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Josephwalker, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. The Scotsman

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    That's a shame, after all that you've actually got nothing really to say....what was your purpose here? I'm not American. I'm just interested in the outcome of the election so was browsing through some of the content here and your post caught my eye. You asked for thoughts and they were given now you can't really offer anything other than puerile quips.
    Cheers mate...:)
     
  2. Josephwalker

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    Obviously you don't have a clue about way these things work. Republicans were defending a near record number of open seats while democrats were defending very few.
     
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    Democrats didn't get the victories in governer races in swing States that were crucial for the next election and were seats they predicted the blue wave would give them.
     
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    Americans clearly were eager to check rampant Trumpery.

    As I had noted, "Blue Wave" was media hype that some swallowed, but the ongoing progress is more akin to the inexorable rising sea level of anthropogenic climate change.

    Especially encouraging is Lyin' Don's motivating the nation's women, diverse racial and ethnic minorities, and the well-educated especially, to more fully participate in representative governance.

    2020 and the future of America are looking much brighter today
     
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    The irrefutable empirical data of poll after poll confirming that most Americans consistently concur that Trump stinks is not a reality that those who hail him as their "Glorious Leader!" and "God Emperor!" are capable of honestly confronting.
     
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    Which is why Republicans picked up sentate seats I guess.
     
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    With 35 Senate seats on the ballot, 26 were held by senators who caucus with the Democrats, and just 9 were held by Republicans, so the progress in the House where all Americans got the chance to express their preference was not about to be duplicated in the Senate in 2018.

    It appears they even gained a couple of seats, and held on to a few governorships as well (Witness Massachusetts and Maryland, progressive state with popular Republican governors who made it cleat that they find Trump repugnant,) but as I noted, between the blight of trumpery and the inevitability of demographic change, progress is inexorable.
     
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    Tell me how it's a win when Trump won't be able to do anything now? It's a win for Trump because he will keep his seat but the American people will suffer. The democrats are too far gone to reach across the table and get things done.
     
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    Trump was elected. Saying he didn't win the popular vote is completely irrelevant. We don't elect president by popular vote. We never have.
     
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    And the reverse was true in the house except in greater numbers. The deck was stacked for a democratic win which will be reversed in two years.
     
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    a split congress isn't so bad (normally) because it stops most of the frivolous spending on ideals from both sides (equally) and traditionally results in spending on the necessities, however, imo, i foresee the 'pelosi/waters' crew stomping on anything & everything that even had a wiff of trump's hand in it... vengeance is never a good scenerio, it will end badly for the country as a whole, even though the 'fringes' will disagree with that...
     
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    i agree, gerrymandering is bs, but it also is bipartisan, both sides are culpable...
     
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    Him not being elected by the will of the voters is reliving to over half the voting population.
    It’s odd how you so easily dismiss them.

    I never said Trump wasn’t elected or anything about the popular vote so it seems you grabbed another strawman. Keep digging!
     
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    As I noted, all House seats were up for grabs, and all Americans had a chance to choose.

    Again, 2018 is an initial step on the journey. Trump has motivated women to participate in greater numbers, and younger, better-educated Americans are far more diverse and tolerant than the waning white geezers that had previously predominated in the nation's politics.

    In representative self-governance, democracy flourishes and progress is inevitable.
     
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    And the GOP gained Senate seats.....so what? Traditionally Americans like a divided government.
     
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    As the weekly CNA commented on the elections where Trump's daily press televised briefing on winning big where Repubs lost the house: "what an idiot" but doubt as much of a bunch idiots as the burning Bush's losing the World Trade Towers.
     
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    a rarity too, in the last 22 midterms, the sitting prez party only gained senate seats on 5 occasions...
     
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    it can't work that way, because the big cities would rule the country, & pass laws that only help their needs, it would lead to zero voice for all rural communities for ever... how can that be good?
     
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    I think it remains because politicians can't help themselves.

    We Californians tried to take away the politicians influence, and all we did was open the door to more corrupt shenanigans by the Democrats who control California.

    People get all twisted about gerrymandering in some states that might have 10 or 15 House seats. There are 53 in California the Democrats gerrymandered.

    Nobody seems to care about that.

    Why do you think nobody mentions what the Dems did in California?
     
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    Oh look a fluff piece from Reagan and Bush’s political advisor.
     
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    63 million plus felt the same way for 8 long years, but we didn't throw hissy fits and tantrums, we went to, & respected his inauguration, we endured what we knew was wrong without insulting others and throwing drinks in the faces of anyone wearing a dem/lib item of clothing, we didn't refuse service to his family/friends/supporters at our businesses...

    rather, we grouped together and got even on november 8th 2016, the way it's supposed to work in a civilized society...
     
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    In some areas of the country they absolutely did.

    Kansas repudiated Trump
    Wisconsin repudiated Trump
    Pennsylvania repudiated Trump
    Michigan repudiated Trump
     
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    So what are you talking about when you say he wasn't elected by the will of the people?
     
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    I said:
    “Trump has never won the will of the people.

    He didn’t during his election.
    He didn’t during this election.
    He won’t during the next election.”

    When did I mention him being or not being elected? I said the voters did not put him in office — the EC did (an outdated system that gives votes multipliers make it their vote worth more) — which is against the will of the majority of voters — benefiting Republicans in every one of the four times it has occoured since the modern parties have been established.
     
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    yes I read it the first time I know what you said and if I forget I can always go back and look.

    I asked you what you mean.

    I already assumed something you meant and you got all butt hurt about it.

    Just repeating the same nonsense doesn't explain anything.

    So don't tell me what you said again I already know. Tell me what you mean.

    I take this to me he didn't win the popular vote. You got something up your chimney about that.

    So what on Earth did you mean?
     

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