Democrats won the House, but Trump won the election

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  1. cd8ed

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    Vs the rural cities imposing their will on the larger cities? Why should we rely on rural (which tend to be deeply conservative, largely uneducated and highly religious) to impose their will on the rest of the country?

    Do you believe a system in which 22% of the voters could elected a President against the will of 78% to be a just (or safe) system?

    No other modern system of government in the world that has modeled us have kept this provision, because it doesn’t make logical sense and gives some people a tenth of a vote of others by weight.
    Blacks were once considered 1/5 of a person... it’s the same principle.
    We are either all equal or none of us are.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This election was popular vote (ignoring the mass voter suppression and gerrymandering), trump is currently upside down in polls = trump did not win this election.
     
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    The 2018 election you mean? But it's probably because he didn't run in it.
     
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    There's only one loser in this mid-term election and that's Donald Trump, simply because he STILL doesn't understand he resides in a political system. (Or faces political opposition that he needs to acknowledge, now more than ever, if he wants to keep his job.)

    The dust had not even settled regarding these mid-terms and Trump was already back on Twitter, treating the Democrats with familiar disdain and later had a public meltdown in front of the media.

    Here's someone who has no clue what he took on when he became President and, furthermore, doesn't care because he only ran for the job to find immunity from the law
    But the chance that Mueller will find Trump has just increased tremendously.

    After the midterms I was ready to give Trump the benefit of the doubt; perhaps he would sound a more conciliatory tone. (Silly hope, I know, but being human I tried to stay positive. Even though, with Trump, we are not really dealing with a human being.)

    Alas, it seems that Trump after the election is the same as before. Trump version 2.0, if you will, but with the same bugs.
    The robot still lacks empathy.

    Only now there's a better chance of Mueller finally pulling the plug on this malfunctioning piece of crap-President.
    Just in time because I think he has gone on a war-path with the firing of Jeff Sessions.

    But if that is what Trump 2.0 seeks then a battle it shall be and it will be his political undoing.

    I, for one, would welcome it.
     
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    QUIPS.... To nonsense?
    Logic always welcome. People playing short, not so much.
    As an old saying goes- there are situations whereif you understand, no explanation is necessary; if you don't, no explanation is possible.
     
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    Nancy Pelosi is probably toast as Speaker this time around because she very obviously has something wrong with her brain. Were she Right of Center it would be a major news topic, but since she is a leftist the MSM ignores the obvious, just as they refuse to speak about Hillary Clinton's dramatic physical and mental impairments. Nonetheless even if the Dems in the House for once do the intelligent thing and retire Nancy it won't matter because they will simply promote in her place someone equally lunatic. That's become their history of late.
     
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    The House is much closer to the people than the Senate. Representatives have local districts. They are much like city mayors in that respect, and they have two-year terms. Senators run state wide and after six years in the Senate, incumbent Senators are very difficult to defeat.

    For those reasons representatives are closer to the people, and the American people spoke. This election was obviously a referendum on Trump, according to Trump. The people spoke, and they wanted to rein in Trump.

    Also, the Democrats won seven more governor seats, including WI and MI, two states Trump won. The Republicans have lost six.

    At his press conference Trump hailed "tremendous success" in the mid-term elections. :roflol:Much like his followers, Trump is not a fan of reality.
     
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    They gained seven governor seats, and the Republicans lost six. Are you saying that is somehow a Republican victory?
     
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    It is like a big game of chess. The game objective was to end up with the greatest number of governors. Mission accomplished.
     
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    Maybe because it didn't happen?
     
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    I didn't know that. That is what ocean515 says too. Do you have any reliable info on it?
     
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    There will be 33 seats available for reelection in 2020 at least 20 of them will be GOP seats.
     
  13. Sandy Shanks

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    Well, that part is true. There are now 23 Democratic state houses and 26 Republican state houses. Republicans still control the sparsely populated and rural states. Democratic governors will be in charge of the more heavily populated states. Democratic state houses will be governing far more Americans than Republican state houses.
     
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    However, there are more republicans controlling state government than democrats. No matter how you paint it, the democrats should have won it all. They blew it on Kavanaugh and trying to bring down Trump. The American people wanted more than that. And the democrats continue to head down the stupid road.
     
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    This played out more or less as expected; aka Dems won the house, lost some key senate races (Indiana, Florida where the polls were slightly off) and won some governor's races (Kansas, Oregon where some polls were also slightly off). Some of this had very little to do with Tump; Kansas is a mess after some rather extreme tax cuts and budget measures under the last Republican governor.

    On the whole, this is not a measure of the American voter buying wholeheartedly into either party's ideas, no matter which way you want to look at it.

    Nor is the fact Clinton and Obama got re-elected after loosing one or both houses of Congress any indication that the same will happen for Trump.

    He squeaked by in Wi, Pa and Mi in 2016. It's exactly here that the Dems were most successful in reclaiming house seats and governor's mansions. Voters there are neither social justice warriors, nor are they fans of tax cuts for the rich or fighting the culture wars; they care about jobs, healthcare and social security more than anything else and they mostly feel both parties have let them down. If Trump delivers for them by 2020, they might re-elect him, otherwise he's toast as he will not win without the Midwest. Signs from this election are not good and his margin was already razor thin.

    Trump could hang on as long as the economy keeps growing; this is far from a given. There will be now new round of tax cuts to jack up share prices and income projections are going to be flat. The trade wars and Trump's all-round unpredictability are hardly helping to calm down nervous investors either. Household debt is also approaching 2008 levels. Ironically, the president has only limited tools to affect the economy short-term, but historically he'll get the blame for it anyway if it goes wrong.

    Neither side should kid themselves, 2020 will be very close and will depend almost entirely on the Midwest, barring some major black swan event like 9/11.
     
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    Funny innit. Not long ago you were thinking they wouldn't even be able to take the house. Now you are out for damage control saying the take over isn't a big deal. Thanks for the laugh.
     
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    Understood, but the argument has been put forth that those districts were gerrymandered in favor of the GOP. Both governors and senators were statewide elections, yet the Senate didn’t respond the same way. It doesn’t make sense.
     
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    Wait, I'm pretty sure nationalism is sweeping the globe.
     
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    Lost the house.
    Lost governorships across the country.
    And Trump is throwing absolute tantrums over his 'victory.'

    Dance on little dancer.
     
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    Apparently you don't understand the way the map works in these elections. Numerous seats were vacated by retiring republican congress members that would have been a lock for incumbents which win 90% of the time. Once these seats were up for grabs it becomes far easier for a flip of parties to occur.
     
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    Yes, quite a number of previously secure Republican representatives fled from Trumpery. If they had held their noses and their ground, some would still be there.

    Without the advantage of incumbency, voters were presented with a clear choice, and the demographic ineluctability of more women, more diversity, and younger, better-educated voters had a more immediate impact than one might otherwise expect.

    One conservative Republican who could not stomach the depravity of Trumpery undoubtedly spoke for many:

     
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    Democrats needed to flip some very important states like Florida and they failed to do so. For a midterm with the opposition in the Whitehouse their gains were mediocre.
     
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    Now you get it. Republicans had a very large amount of seats where they lost the power of incumbency and that gave Democrats a huge advantage. As to why thats another subject.
     
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    Trump is extremely happy with the election as am I. We gained seats in the Senate and that's where the battles the next two years will be fought. It was a given the house would flip and they can't do anything to stop the great financial policies that have already been put into place. Trump can now concentrate on putting conservatives on the bench.
     

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