Dems, DACA and fake news

Nice to see you want it both ways

 

Your post doesn't make sense.

 

New Orleans and ports on the Texas coast were points of entry a half century earlier. Many Catholics etc entered the US then and there.

 

I don't like the implications of what the wall means, but politics today means the Wall for the Dreamers: it is a trade off.

 

The pathway to citizenship starts from outside the US, an illegal entrant can not apply for legality from within the US unless Congress passes a law to allow it to happen.

 

Illegal entrants can not secure citizenship or legality from within the US unless Congress passes a law allowing them to.

 

Where is your outrage regarding California's border fence? Almost the entire length of California's southern border has a fence and natural barriers, according to BP illegal border jumping has decreased by 95% at the southern California border. Obviously a fence/wall/barrier works to a degree worth accepting.

 

Welcome to politics.

 

Illegal immigration isn't all that complicated. A wall/fence/barrier is but a deterrent to drastically lower the amount of people crossing in an area and divert them or discourage them all together, thus lowering the amount of illegal entrants over all. Trump is not pretending that if we build a wall illegal immigration would be solved, since 45% of illegal immigrants are visa overstays. You do understand that Congress has already passed a law requiring over 700 miles of fence be installed, right? You do know that Congress still owes over 100 miles of fence be completed from that law, which right now is all Trump is wanting to get done.

 

Clearly you think todays Mexicans are indigenous to Mexico, or you believe Europeans are At any rate, todays Mexicans are descendant of Spain that conquered them, so by lineage the only true indigenous people to lay claim to Mexico are the Aztec Indian and Spain's sword and diseases lay clam to the region and much of south America..

In short, English settlers of North America have the same rights as do todays Mexican/Spaniards

 

It wasn't the US at that point, now, was it? Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, England all had colonies here. The English Colonies just happened to be in better locations and controlled who they allowed to enter their colonies. Later they absorbed the other countries colonies as expansion went westward.

 

Of course it was the US then, wasn't it? LA (1812) and Texas (1845) joined the Union.

 

It became the US then, prior to that it was French and Spanish/Mexican.

 

In terms of immigration, that makes no difference.

If is illegal immigration to which you are opposed, my white christian protestant ancestors were illegal dixiebacks swmming the Red and Sabine in to Catholic Texas.

 

Actually Catholic Spanish/Mexican Texas at that time was inviting US citizens into its territory by grant.

 

Yeah if you can't afford something like a car, people should just acquire one without documentation.

 

Of course there is.

After the San Diego wall was built apprehensions went down 95%.

The left isn't fooling us when they say they don't want it because it doesn't work.

If it wouldn't work they WOULD want it, so they could have one more thing to whine about and point fingers.

You know it'll work, and so does everyone else.

 

No, they left American Louisiana and Arkansas, and invaded Catholic Texas.

Please study Old Southwest history. I understand your argument. Your examples, though, do not support it. Not even in the original Colonies, because MD was set up originally as a Catholic haven and a century later GA was open to all religions.

 

Uh no. All the California border fence did was protect California. The only reason that worked is because while California was protected, other parts of the border weren’t, so the illegals just decided to cross in the easier areas.

However that obvious logic won’t apply anymore if we seal the entire us Mexico border off. Immigrants won’t challenge a border fence as long as there is a non-fenced area to cross instead. As soon as the entire border is fenced off they will start to find ways to defeat the wall and since they aren’t nearly as stupid as you want them to be, they will inevitably succeed.

 

I have studied Old Southwest History, Mexico was inviting US Citizens into the territory of what is now Texas. Here is a basic understanding of that history:

I haven't made an argument based on religions.

 

You honestly think drug runners and coyotes are going to look at a wall and just throw up their hands and say, "Well that it, I guess I'm out of work ...". WTF. Really?

 

Thats right, it protected California and illegal crossings went down by 95% along the Southern California Border. Did you not understand what I wrote?

That was the whole intent, to divert them from the easy areas of California to other areas, and when AZ placed a fence up in its area of ease, illegal crossing went down by 90% in that fenced location.

Sure it will, it will reduce illegal crossing to a trickle. Non-fenced areas are rough terrain and miles from any civilization, days in the desert sun don't fare to well for them. Again, the purpose is to stop the flood and make it a trickle, there is no feasible way to prevent some completely.

 

a wall would do nothing to prevent it from happening again. You do know they have ladders and spade shovels in mexico right?

 

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