Dems, DACA and fake news

None of that changes the reality of what I said. If their only options become an impassable desert crossing or the border wall they will start in on that wall and since it’s just a ****ing wall it won’t be able to keep them out.

 

Nothing will keep them out, as I have stated, the wall is to plug the flood and make it a trickle. The point is to reduce the number to something that may be able to be managed with interior enforcement.

Then we have visa overstays to deal with after that.

 

A wall will just divert the flow, it will not reduce it.

It's also terrible Public Relations - where the US was once seen as a beacon on hope, now it will be seen as the the Old Guy on the block yelling at kids to get off his ****ing lawn. And while it may not seem like a big deal, it will decrease the
value of American goods sold overseas and the certain moral high ground the US enjoyed during it's golden age.

Does Mexico look at the wall and say, hey, maybe it's time to cultivate our trading agreements and defense agreements with China, instead? Are we prepared for Mexico to lease military bases to China?

Always unintended consequences on the horizon.

The wall isn't just a wall. It's a symbol that will replace the Statue of Liberty in the minds of the world.

 

Oh I see. So you'd like to maintain a barrier made out of air.

I mean, since a wall itself wouldn't be 100% effective, we should just stick with 0% effectiveness.

No, I'd expect them to continue trying by taking more risks, resulting in more of them getting caught, resulting in it becoming too expensive or not worth the risk.

When the illegal methods of entry are harder than the legal methods of entry, we have gained control over our borders and immigration.

 

Oh no, the people who want to come in and sponge off of our country will be very disappointed in us.

The shame.

Meanwhile, that country would jail any of our citizens north of their border that tried to sneak in, and would never allow them to become Mexican citizens.

Meanwhile, that country would jail any south american citizens who scaled THEIR southern border wall, and would never let them become citizens either.

 

No, you clearly don't understand. Religious conversion was part of the requirement for Americans to immigrate to Texas legally. And not all citizens were invited. Most of those Americans who fought in Texas against Mexico were illegal dixiebacks.

 

Is there an interpreter ot there - what did he say?

Agreed

 

That's some weird logic you have there.
Yes, I do think Mexicans are indigenous to Mexico. That would seem to be common sense. As of 1821 all your Spain/Aztec history lesson became irrelevant. In 1821 the US southwest was part of Mexico.

 

It will divert it to areas that are much more harsh thus it will reduce it as not all are up to making the harsher journey.

America is still a beacon of hope, all one has to do is enter the right way. You have a fence in your back yard, maybe even around your front yard too, why is that fence there? Nothing will reduce American goods overseas other than trade wars. Foreigners still want American products.

Why does Mexico have a wall along its southern border?

It's that way for everything.

The Statue has nothing to do with immigration, the southern barrier will have no effect other then to South/Central America.

 

Your arguments are running off into the wilderness of no logic.

Try to explain in one sentence what you mean.

 

That's a poor argument. A wall will slow down the flood - then we can work on plugging the leaks.

Right now anyone can carry anything across that southern border from drugs to WMDs and all sorts of other contraband. As I've already pointed out, much of eastern europe have built walls to great effect - all of these anti-wall sentiments have no weight of realistic history behind them.

 

a better way of stating that, Vet966, imo, is "Right now anyone can [try to] carry anything across that southern border from drugs to WMDs and all sorts of other contraband."

That will continue wall or no wall.

 

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That's a BS argument.

All of the evidence out there shows that a wall will reduce the flow of illegals into the USA. Your argument is a hypothetical built on a mound of excrement -

 

The Spanish Texas Colonization laws had no requirement for religious beliefs/requirements. Mexico changed those laws in 1824 and stated that Catholicism was their national religion and that it be practiced by all and that colonists should learn to speak Spanish.

Most of those that fought against Mexico were Mexican citizens at the time.

 

Not to get off topic, you should apply this logic to your gun control arguments.

 

The great majority of the revolutionary army fighting against Mexico were non-citizens from the United States.

To immigrate legally to Mexican Texas America protestants were required to join the Catholic Church and renounce allegiance to the U.S.
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Start with https://www.amazon.com/Texas-Compact-Archie-P-McDonald/dp/193333715X. I would sell you mine but it is autographed.
Texas: A Compact History Paperback.

 

Yeah?

Go ahead and tell me which one I'd be glad to discuss it with you.

 

That will continue wall or no wall.

A large wall would make it harder and more expensive to cross the southern border. Funneling and Interdiction become easier.

The immediate goal is to slow the flow, and then work on the remaining trickle. The anti-wall people are using the same old argument that it couldn't possibly work and noone will love the US if we do it.

The evidence out there says it will work - and who cares what the rest of the world thinks about the US - the rest of the world won't pay our bills and fix our infrastructure and ensure we have some sort of value system in place - they care for as long as they can milk the US for that large trade imbalance.

 

I guess you haven't heard, it works well I Israel.

 

There will be "no remaining trickle," just new and better methods of overcoming the interdiction of the wall.

The pro-wall proponents continue to use the same tired arguments that "of course it will work, I am sure it will work, why won't it work."

 

The great majority were Mexican Citizens and Immigrants (1835 The Texas Revolution creating Texas Independence), later the US Army showed up (1845 Mexican American War).

They were simply required to practice Catholicism. Renouncing allegiance is indicative of any immigrant when becoming a citizen of another country.

I only need to read the 1824 Colonization Laws, not someone else's interpretation of them.

 

FFS
In 1821 Mexico won their independence from Spain. People living in Mexico are now Mexicans. Mexico included what is now California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah,Texas, and parts of Colorado and Wyoming so people that had lived in these areas (particularly California) have had ties there for over 300 years.
The point is because you won the birth lottery and are a US citizen, others have had ties here for a LOT longer.....but you consider them criminals.

 

Any different then your tired argument of" it won't work, it's a waste, etc"? Pot meet Kettle

 

The differernce is that there are massive amounts of evidence and history that walls do work. There is nothing but hot air in the arguments that walls can't work.

Hot Air is the product most produced by dishonest Democrats and their fake news bum kissers

 

Now you are trolling. I have given the work of the authority on Texas at that time, and your opinion simply does not override it.

Believe as you will, but your belief does not compete with the facts.

The point is that your belief is wrong.