Dems Fail to Kill "Stand Your Ground"

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  1. Rucker61

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    What would such a panel determine?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if the fear of deadly force was reasonable
     
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    That's what a jury decides, and SYG has nothing to do with it.
     
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    only if the DA decides to indict.

    if DA doesn't decide to indict, due to the SYG defense, the jury never gets to decide.
     
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    And pray tell, exactly what law might be in place that would serve to motivate a district attorney to not pursue charges against a convicted felon found in possession of a firearm?
     
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    If the DA doesn't indict because it's a clear case of self defense or because he or she doesn't think a conviction is probable, it still has nothing to do with SYG. There are plenty of cases where the shooter pleaded SYG and when to prison.
     
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    stop derailing

    this is about people killing with the SYG excuse
     
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    Factually incorrect. This discussion is about those who simply do not understand how the "stand your ground" law actually work, and instead they substitute fact with their own lack of understanding and comprehension.
     
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    Are there legitimate cases of SYG?
     
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    SYG allows people to get into fights, and that's a bad thing.

    violence should ONLY be allowed in self-defemse.

    if you can avoid a fight, you should be legally obligated to do so.
     
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    SYG is after you've already been attacked.
     
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    Define "avoid a fight".
     
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    someone threatens you, you walk away rather than accepting his challenge
     
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    So if he threatens you with a gun, you walk away? A knife? A asswhopping?
     
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    yes, if you can get a way, you should try.

    however, if you simply don't have any good and reasonable options to get away, then yes you defend yourself.

    our society should not encourage needless fighting and violence
     
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    No one is. They just don't think you should be required to leave yourself vulnerable when attacked.
     
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    SYG says you shouldn't try to get away if attacked.

    SYG says its ok to respond with violence if someone threatens you.

    SYG says its ok to get into fights.

    its a caveman POV
     
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    No it doesn't. It says you don't have to. That's a very big difference.

    Depending upon the situtation, it's the prudent thing to do. It doesn't say you have to.

    No it doesn't.
    You continue to prove you really have no idea what SYG means.
     
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    in some states, there is a duty to retreat, including running from your home rather than hurt a burglar
     
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    I bet they're on the coasts.
     
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    well....apparently you a part of the new,improved and evolved breed
     
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    States with a “duty to retreat”: Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Nebraska, North Dakota*, Rhode Island, Vermont, Wisconsin*, and Wyoming.
     
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    nonsense bullshit.

    there is no state where you have a duty to retreat from your own home
     
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    I think they will be. If for no other reason than to avoid the political **** storm that will happen if not. Conviction? Not holding my breath. (This event happened about 12 miles from my house so it's all over the news.) I did approve of the Sheriff's response (a Sheriff I am not a huge fan of) to Al Sharpton, though. "We don't care what you think, go back to NY."
     
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    Not in Florida. You break into my house, and you're fair game. Armed, not armed, arson, no arson, doesn't matter. Fear of death or grave bodily injury is legally assumed. (To reiterate, I'm talking about a home invasion where castle doctrine applies, not an "out in public" self-defense shooting.)
     
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