Denial of Service? Just say no.

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  1. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I discriminate all of the time, literally all of the time. I am not at all indiscriminant. "I don't judge.", is not a noble claim.
    I have become more and more discriminating as the years went by, but I never parade my disassociations. I do not explain myself to those I disassociate from. I do not give my reasons for refusing service. I just say no.

    There are no laws against refusing service. There are laws against certain reasons for refusing service,
    but there are no laws that compel anyone to disclose their reason for refusing service.
     
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    Definition of discriminate:
    I've cited above the US law against types of discrimination. It dates from 1868! Read it!

    If one practices in any way and for any reason such discrimination they should put one in jail! Why, pray tell, has a jail-sentence been insufficient to stop the illegal behaviour since 1868?

    Why were the Jim Crow Laws passed - from here:



    Why were the laws passed and never challenged in court. Because any legal process consist of people; and if people decide to be inconsiderate of the law then the disregard becomes a generalized "bad habit" that no one reproaches publicly. And despite the Civil War deaths of 610,000 Americans, our law-courts decided to disregard the way blacks were being subsequently treated.

    No one was punished so the behaviour became common.

    MY POINT?
    *People ignore the historical facts.
    *And because of that disregard generalized publicly due to an inadequate secondary-schooling, most think there is no or little reason for addressing those historical facts.
    *It was too "uncomfortable" to consider our historic record of discrimination.
    *After all, we are the Greatest Nation on Earth - are we not?
    *Aren't we? No, not yet. Building this country's societal-context is still "work-in-progress" ...
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do not be indiscriminate. "I don't judge.", is not a noble claim. Good judgement is a learned and perishable skill. Those who do not exercise good judgement on a regular basis are those most likely to condemn whatever they don't condone because no one can be more tolerant that they are judgmental.
     
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    You're talking from your personal perspective, and I am generalizing to a higher level. (Not better, just different.)

    No great problem. But no real exchange either.

    Doesn't matter ...
     
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    My point is this, just say no. Do not parade your disassociations. Do not give your reasons for denying service.
    As long as one does not give their reasoning for refusal of service, the one being denied can do nothing.
    People only get in trouble when they disclose their reasoning.
     
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    Why is that the case? Because you are in a position of power over another person and you can use that power however you see fit?
     
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    We, it's we, not me. They exercise the same exact power to not trade with me for undisclosed reasons.
     
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    So yes. You have power over another person, and can exercise it as you see fit. Does that sound like you can even treat someone as an equal trading partner, ever?
     
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    Actually, I've only ever done business with those I disagree with.
     
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    Does that respond to what I said?
     
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    No, it doesn't.
     
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    Fair enough.
     
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    A Stonemason can be said to work in time itself
     
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    Trade is an equal exchange. Nobody has power over the other.
     
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    All the Great Masters of the Renaissance were mainly plasterers who did occasional side jobs.
     
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    Now we have fine-tuned debt to ensure the plasterers have their blinkers...
     
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    Which is no different from the largest part of the population that chooses where to shop and where NOT to shop of their own volition.

    Which is also why advertising is so important to manipulate market-outcomes.

    Which is why such market-outcomes are well worth considering and managing. Over the past 30/40 years the key economic-phenomenon in the US has been the consolidation of US markets for goods/services into the hands of a limited number of market-actors. Which is not monopoly markets, but is oligopoly* markets. (Meaning lesser and lesser market-competitivity.)

    And if you don't care to believe that statement, then see the arguments here:
    [PDF] the united states has a market concentration problem

    Market Concentration Is Threatening the U.S. Economy

    *NB: Definition of oligopoly:
     
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    You are avoiding the factual essence of laws that require services to be rendered to clients regardless of their personal attributes (sex, colour, religion, etc.)

    Of course, that's your business constraint, not mine.

    There is no golden-rule that says you can "choose your customers and refuse those you don't want to serve".

    And if you try to do just that by not refusing but by other means - like exorbitant pricing - that is not allowed by law either. (Granted, often national laws prevail and also state laws may do so.)

    For your information, from here:

     
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    All of the laws you cite refer to intent, but there is no law that requires one to disclose their intent or reasoning.
    There is no law against just saying no.
    Call it the 'intersectionality of business' wherein a potential customer is judged by their immutable characteristics.
     
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    Try it. You won't like it.

    A jury will convince you otherwise ...
     
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    I have and will continue. I have not and will not have any repercussions because I just say no.
     

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