Denouncing Dave: Chappelle’s New Comedy Called ‘Homophobic’ and ‘Transphobic’

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  1. HonestJoe

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    Progs hate him because he is black.
     
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    Your links explicitly state due to social stigma, aka bigots

    Your links explicitly state due to social stigma, aka bigots

    Your links explicitly state due to social stigma, aka bigots

    You have yet to show a single piece of evidence that shows direct links to homosexuality. Blacks suffer similar levels of depression and stressors as homosexuals (due again, to bigots) are you now stating blacks have a mental illness? Really? That's your entire argument? Such a low bar you have set to justify your narrative
     
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    We need more people like this to come under fire so they can realize how emotional and sensitive the left have become.
     
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    The left thrives on being angry and unhappy. They started doing this in 2006 and have gotten worse and worse, even when they controlled all government they found stuff to bitch about and point their fingers for. That's all they know they know anymore and they can't step back long enough to see the big picture. I thoroughly enjoy their implosion though.
     
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    You corrected nothing. Those were prime examples of types mental illness specifically spelled out by the Mayo clinic and the definition of Mental Illness is a collection of those types of mental conditions which I've already proven in the studies I sourced exist far more in homosexuals than heterosexuals. Try again.

    Its obvious you haven't read the studies I referenced. Might want to catch up on the facts before playing super hero.

    Try being honest for once.
     
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  7. guavaball

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    Translation: I can't debate the findings of the studies so I attack the person who links to them because I've got nothing.

    Translation: I can't debate the findings of the studies so I attack the person who links to them because I've got nothing.

    Translation: I can't debate the findings of the studies so I attack the person who links to them because I've got nothing.

    Wow you just can't help yourself can you. No matter how many studies I link to they just don't exist in your reality. Hell, you can't even address them.

    That is a complete fabrication and I challenge you to back up the claim you just made about blacks and homosexuals.

    Not that you will of course. Just one more dishonest claim with no evidence. Par for the course for you.
     
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    You said they were "key components" of mental illness, apparently in defence of a claim that homosexuality is a mental illness in itself. That was at the very least poor wording.

    I'm not questioning the fact that homosexuals statistically suffer more mental health problems than heterosexuals.
     
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    I watched it over the weekend, and I don't understand the controversy.

    Its not like he lied, or misrepresented the truth.

    T = Tough road ahead.... lol
     
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    When he started this part of his act, he said something along the lines of "here we go into deep waters".

    I didn't see anything offensive about what he said at all.
     
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    How did Chong prove his parents weren't freaked out in 1972?
     
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    Who am I attacking, your links point a direct correlation between societal pressures (caused by bigots) and the mental health of the victims. Are you now implying that you're a bigot, I would've never guessed!

    According to the Health and Human Services Office of Minority Health, African Americans are 20% more likely to experience serious mental health problems than the general population. Common mental health disorders among African Americans include: Major depression. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)

    Are you saying black is a mental illness? If you hold that charastistic to the same metric as you are trying to paint homosexuality it sure seems that way... That's a disgusting hypothesis guv, even for you.

    I responded to your request after one post, Meanwhile, I'm still waiting, 20 pages later, for an accredited mental health association that says "homosexuality is a mental illness" as per your claim.

    Cheers :beer:
     
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    Dave even said how great it is that homosexuality is accepted now, numerous times. Surprised even, that America is arriving at a point where live and let live is a new mantra instead of being hatful bigots toward anyone that's different.

    I thought the show was hilarious

    There wasn't anything offensive, this is just the new "issue" for the special snowflakes to melt about and the the conservative snowflakes to point and cry victim about. Seems they would both get tired of this game.
     
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    Play as many word games as you like. You called anyone who doesn't agree with you and supports the studies I cite a bigot. Nothing but cowardice attacking those who give you that reality backed by science.

    Nowhere in your article which you didn't link to (what a shocker) did they ever say the reason for the numbers was because they had issues being black. In fact they specifically list the causes and none of them are the color of their skin

    African Americans are also more likely to experience certain factors that increase the risk for developing a mental health condition

    • Homelessness. People experiencing homelessness are at a greater risk of developing a mental health condition. African Americans make up 40% of the homeless population.
    • Exposure to violence increases the risk of developing a mental health condition such as depression, anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder. African American children are more likely to be exposed to violence than other children.
    - See more at: http://www.nami.org/Find-Support/Diverse-Communities/African-Americans#sthash.HQOF5cjB.dpuf


    So once again you are caught being laughably dishonest which I'm sure is the reason why you didn't post the link because you were afraid I would find out the truth.

    My article specifically identify their sexuality as the key component to homosexual's mental health issues so once again you lose.

    Our study confirmed the finding that sexual orientation is related to mental health, but also suggests that gay/lesbian orientation is a risk factor for poorer physical health. The health of gay/lesbian people seems to be more at risk than the health of bisexual people, both in comparison to heterosexual people

    I see I need to post the studies again since you still can't be honest enough to address them.

    In a 2008 meta-analysis of research on mental health outcomes for non-heterosexuals, University College London professor of psychiatry Michael King and colleagues concluded that gays, lesbians, and bisexuals face “higher risk of suicidal behaviour, mental disorder and substance misuse and dependence than heterosexual people.”[1] This survey of the literature examined papers published between January 1966 and April 2005 with data from 214,344 heterosexual and 11,971 non-heterosexual individuals. The large sample size allowed the authors to generate estimates that are highly reliable, as indicated by the relatively small confidence intervals.[2]

    Compiling the risk ratios found in these papers, the authors estimated that lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals had a 2.47 times higher lifetime risk than heterosexuals for suicide attempts,[3] that they were about twice as likely to experience depression over a twelve-month period,[4] and approximately 1.5 times as likely to experience anxiety disorders.[5] Both non-heterosexual men and women were found to be at an elevated risk for substance abuse problems (1.51 times as likely),[6] with the risk for non-heterosexual women especially high — 3.42 times higher than for heterosexual women.[7] Non-heterosexual men, on the other hand, were at a particularly high risk for suicide attempts: while non-heterosexual men and women together were at a 2.47 times greater risk of suicide attempts over their lifetimes, non-heterosexual men were found to be at a 4.28 times greater risk.[8]

    These findings have been replicated in other studies, both in the United States and internationally, confirming a consistent and alarming pattern.

    Women who identified as lesbian, bisexual, or “not sure” reported higher rates of lifetime mood disorders than women who identified as heterosexual: the prevalence was 44.4% in lesbians, 58.7% in bisexuals, and 36.5% in women unsure of their sexual identity, as compared to 30.5% in heterosexuals. A similar pattern was found for anxiety disorders, with bisexual women experiencing the highest prevalence, followed by lesbians and those unsure, and heterosexual women experiencing the lowest prevalence. Examining the data for women with different sexual behavior or sexual attraction (rather than identity), those reporting sexual behavior with or attractions to both men and women had a higher rate of lifetime disorders than women who reported exclusively heterosexual or homosexual behaviors or attractions, and women reporting exclusive same-sex sexual behavior or exclusive same-sex attraction in fact had the lowest rates of lifetime mood and anxiety disorders.[11]

    Men who identified as gay had more than double the prevalence of lifetime mood disorders compared to men who identified as heterosexual (42.3% vs. 19.8%), and more than double the rate of any lifetime anxiety disorder (41.2% vs. 18.6%), while those who identified as bisexual had a slightly lower prevalence of mood disorders (36.9%) and anxiety disorders (38.7%) than gay men. When looking at sexual attraction or behavior for men, those who reported sexual attraction to “mostly males” or sexual behavior with “both females and males” had the highest prevalence of lifetime mood disorders and anxiety disorders compared to other groups, while those reporting exclusively heterosexual attraction or behavior had the lowest prevalence of any group.

    Other studies have found that non-heterosexual populations are at a higher risk of physical health problems in addition to mental health problems. A 2007 study by UCLA professor of epidemiology Susan Cochran and colleagues examined data from the California Quality of Life Survey of 2,272 adults to assess links between sexual orientation and self-reported physical health status, health conditions, and disability, as well as psychological distress among lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, and those they classified as “homosexually experienced heterosexual individuals.”[12] While the study, like most, was limited by the use of self-reporting of health conditions, it had several strengths: it studied a population-based sample; it separately measured identity and behavioral dimensions of sexual orientation; and it controlled for race (ethnicity), education, relationship status, and family income, among other factors.

    While the authors of this study found a number of health conditions that appeared to have elevated prevalence among non-heterosexuals, after adjusting for demographic factors that are potential confounders the only group with significantly greater prevalence of non-HIV physical health conditions was bisexual women, who were more likely to have health problems than heterosexual women. Consistent with the 2010 study by Bostwick and colleagues, higher rates of psychological stress were reported by lesbians, bisexual women, gay men, and homosexually experienced heterosexual men, both before and after adjusting for demographic confounding. Among men, self-identified gay and homosexually experienced heterosexual respondents reported the highest rates of several health problems.

    Using the same California Quality of Life Survey, a 2009 study by UCLA professor of psychiatry and biobehavioral sciences Christine Grella and colleagues (including Cochran) examined the relationship between sexual orientation and receiving treatment for substance use or mental disorders.[13] They used a population-based sample, with sexual minorities oversampled to provide more statistical power to detect group differences. The usage of treatment was classified according to whether or not respondents reported receiving treatment in the preceding twelve months for “emotional, mental health, alcohol or other drug problems.” Sexual orientation was operationalized by a combination of behavioral history and self-identification. For example, they grouped together as “gay/bisexual” or “lesbian/bisexual” both those who identified as gay, lesbian, or bisexual, and those who had reported same-sex sexual behaviors. They found that women who were lesbian or bisexual were most likely to have received treatment, followed by men who were gay or bisexual, then heterosexual women, with heterosexual men being the least likely group to have reported receiving treatment. Overall, more than twice as many LGB individuals, compared to heterosexuals, had reported receiving treatment in the past twelve months (48.5% compared to 22.5%). The pattern was similar for men and women; 42.5% of homosexual men, compared to 17.1% of heterosexual men, had reported receiving treatment, while 55.3% of lesbian and bisexual women and 27.1% of heterosexual women reported receiving treatment. (Bostwick and colleagues had found that women with exclusively same-sex attractions and behaviors had a lower prevalence of mood and anxiety disorders compared to heterosexual women. The difference in results could be due to the fact that Grella and colleagues grouped those who identified as lesbians together with those who identified as bisexuals or who reported same-sex sexual behavior.)

    A 2006 study by Columbia University psychiatry professor Theodorus Sandfort and colleagues examined a representative, population-based sample from the second Dutch National Survey of General Practice, carried out in 2001, to assess links between self-reported sexual orientation and health status among 9,511 participants, of whom 0.9% were classified as bisexual and 1.5% as gay or lesbian.[14] To operationalize sexual orientation, the researchers asked respondents about their sexual preference on a 5-point scale: exclusively women, predominantly women, equally men and women, predominantly men, and exclusively men. Only those who reported an equal preference for men and women were classified as bisexual, while men reporting predominant preferences for women, or women reporting a predominant preference for men were classified as heterosexual. They found that gay, lesbian, and bisexual respondents reported experiencing higher numbers of acute mental health problems and reported worse general mental health than heterosexuals. The results for physical health were mixed, however: lesbian and gay respondents reported experiencing more acute physical symptoms (such as headaches, back pain, or sore throats) over the past fourteen days, though they did not report experiencing two or more such symptoms any more than heterosexuals.

    Lesbian and gay respondents were more likely to report chronic health problems, though bisexual men (that is, men who reported an equal sexual preference for men and women) were less likely to report chronic health problems and bisexual women were no more likely than heterosexual women to do so. The researchers did not find a statistically significant relationship between sexual orientation and overall physical health. After controlling for the possible confounding effects of mental health problems on the reporting of physical health problems, the researchers also found that the statistical effect of reporting a gay or lesbian sexual preference on chronic and acute physical conditions disappeared, though the effect of bisexual preference remained.

    The Sandfort study defined sexual orientation in terms of preference or attraction without reference to behavior or self-identification, which makes it a challenge to compare its results to the results of studies that operationalize sexual orientation differently. For example, it is difficult to compare the findings of this study regarding bisexuals (defined as men or women who report an equal sexual preference for men and women) with the findings of other studies regarding “homosexually experienced heterosexual individuals” or those who are “unsure” of their sexual identity. As in most of these types of studies, the health assessments were self-reported, which may make the results somewhat unreliable. But this study also has several strengths: it used a large and representative sample of a country’s population, as opposed to the convenience samples that are sometimes used for these kinds of studies, and this sample included a sufficient number of gays and lesbians for their data to be treated in separate groups in the study’s statistical analyses. Only three people in the sample reported HIV infection, so this did not appear to be a potential confounding factor, though HIV could have been underreported....

    With this control, we found that the proportion of gay/lesbian persons with 1 or more chronic conditions remained significantly larger than the proportion of heterosexual persons.


    You lost this argument the moment you started making it because you ran away from the multiple studies I quoted all with the same findings. Homosexuals are at minimum 200% more likely to have depression, anxiety and suicide rates than heterosexuals making their sexual preference a mental health disease defined by the Mayo clinic.

    I do enjoy winning but you really make it far too easy.
     
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    And they are. Why else would they mention them specifically? l Go ahead, I'd love to hear your spin on this.

    By the Mayo clinic definition that makes it a mental illness. Try reading the studies I provided.

    Do you even know how many scientific papers were offered in 1974 as proof to remove homosexuality off from being defined as a mental illness by the APA?

    Take a wild guess.....
     
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    It's psychological faschism. I think the whole transgender thing is becoming farcical, with men smashing records in female sporting events, and bellyaching over who can crap where. How can lefties seriously expect people not to laugh? The left is really scraping the bottom of the barrel for "victims" that need defending from "hateful" people. I'm really curious about what "victim" group comes after "transgenders." My guess is people with peanut allergies. If you don't want to ban all peanut products, then you are hateful and you want people with peanut allergies to die.
     
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    Homophobic and transphobic humor plays big in the black American culture. This will be a hit with them.
     
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    False

    As for the rest of your excrement, the same ailments that plague the black community also plague the gay community, yet you dismiss it. The 200% figure is absurd, most put it at 40 - 50% increase, only double that of blacks.

    Seeing as how homosexuality was just recently decriminalized I'm suprised the number isn't much higher, but we are making gains at unprecedented speed.

    Your studies do not say what you infer them to say, no where do they call them a mental illness. Not once have you posted anything that implicitly stated homosexuality is a mental illness. Yes, they have larger mental health issues but every paper has placed that blame on bigots - not the orientation itself.
     
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    The same number that added homosexuality as a mental illness.


    Since we are going back decades to prove our points - when does slavery start back up?
     
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    Anxiety and depression aren't components of mental illness, they're types of mental illness. That'd be like saying a Range Rover is a car component. You're clearly playing with words to create spin and that's what I was making clear (as much to others reading as you).

    I feel confident in stating that the Mayo Clinic does not define homosexuality as a mental illness.

    None. How many were submitted to include it in the first place?
     
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    So you condemn religions, right, because they all "make up such ridiculous claims [they] can't possibly prove"? :)
     
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    Can we agree that you and I are more ethical than Jesus, because if we had Jesus' alleged magic all-powerful skills (and cared for the world as much as he supposedly does) during the Inquisition we would have come down and tried hard to educate people that killing/torturing in our name (they killed/tortured in Jesus' name) was morally wrong, and that it should stop? Seem like the loving thing to do, so I assume that you can join me in saying that you'd do that, like I of course would, right?
     
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    He did.

    10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister]? Or why do you treat them with contempt?> For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:

    “‘As surely as I live, says the Lord,
    ‘every knee will bow before me;
    every tongue will acknowledge God.
    12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God."

    13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
     
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    This has 0% to do with GAYS, and you know it.
    If YOU had Jesus' supposed super-powers, would you, dixon, have come down in the last 2000 years and educated us that the Bible got it wrong where it says to kill gays and that gays don't get into heaven? Obviously he didn't say enough when he was alive. Would you have, dixon? I would have. I'm assuming that I care about humanity more than you and other Christians do, but you could prove me wrong.
     
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    That's because a large number of black people are Christian, and Jesus never spoke up (he's had 2000 years to do it!) about where the texts say to kill gays, and that gays are (apparently) such scum that they can't get into heaven (Romans say this, IIRC.) I blame Jesus.
     
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