Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

IMO Chauvin is toast. Today was a very bad day for his defense.

 

So in addition to not knowing about police procedures and approved techniques, you also don't seem to know what a strawman is. lol

 

And under cross the UOF officers from Minneapolis testified that was their training and they showed the training materials. And they showed ALL the videos and they confirmed the leg was properly placed.

And no misrepresentations.

Not jury tampering to require an oath else having witnesses take an oath is unconstitutional.

As I said glad you are not on the jury since you admit you could not judge it fairly.

 

I admitted no such thing and you have a nasty habit of constantly making things up so I'm no longer interested in responding to your incessant dishonesty.

 

Those videos are not scientific,
Please present measurements on how much pressure was applied.
Without real expertise we can't send people to jail.

 

I know what you did to misrepresent the mechanics of the procedure, and I've forgotten more about policies and how they actually work than you have, clearly. Let me know when you finally get to handcuff a drugged out suspect I suspect we'll have some great stories.

 

uh, lol

why?

we have real expertise. The autopsy shows the knee to his neck contributed to his death. We know the technique Chauvin used was illegal and not approved by the department, the police chief and training officer both told you this.

 

I have misrepresented nothing, as you are fully aware. And it's amusing you think pretending you were a LEO fools anyone.

ok. In the mean time, we know the technique Chauvin used is illegal and not approved. We know this from the police chief and the training officer, and the fact that Floyd is dead. We have documented video evidence of this, and the autopsy confirms the knee contributed to his death. Chauvin is going to prison for quite some time.

 

Are you aware how hilarious it looks that you think you can tell what is one someone's resume by looking at the internet?

Think about that one for a minute.

We know it was legal, it's been approved all over the US, and it's been used thousands of times. I've used it and it's just fine, unless the home invasion enthusiast is drugged to the gills and has a failing heart, of course.

So, would you call yourself a betting man?

 

I have read autopsy report, there was absolutely nothing about knee.

 

The prosecution says Floyd died because he couldn't breathe.



The defense will have to present witnesses of their own on cause of death.

 

I think they're leading up to refuting part of the autopsy.

 

Pretty much. The defense will have to counter with their own experts saying he likely did.

 

No, but I’m aware how hilarious it is you think you are fooling anyone pretending to have been a LEO.

Ok

Demonstrably false. There is no department anywhere in the US that had approved of kneeling on a subdued, hand cuffed face down laying suspect for over 9 minutes, 3 of which he was u conscious or dead. Not one.

Yep

 

Then you didn’t read it, or the commentary by the ME.

 

I guess that is ME report that you wrote yourself.

 

sorry, did I give anyone the impression I needed to “fool” anyone with past employment? Maybe after you actually arrest someone and attend classes you’ll see that technique demonstrated and get to use it.

maybe you’re in for a little $100 wager? A pic of myself in uniform next to my patrol car. Name and agency will be obviously blacked out. The 100 goes to PF to pay for our ability to discuss these matters. Loser will have to post an image of their receipt. Do we have a deal?

 

No, the one the ME wrote where they indicated the knee contributed to Floyd’s death

 

yes

We know that technique is not taught in any PD in any state in the US.

$100? Sure

I can give you a pic of me standing in the surface of the moon. So what?

Thought you wanted to wager the verdict chauvin will receive. Posting a picture of some random police officers next to a squad car doesn’t prove you were a cop. We both know you have never been a LEO.

 

I agree and part of the plan was to prove by statistical numbers and various studies that Floyd was not intoxicated and under the influence of drugs. We have already heard from the store clerk and the 911 call that he was very intoxicated and the statements of the witnesses in the car that he was very intoxicated and even passing out. We have Floyd on the audio telling the officers he ate too many drugs he knew from experience he was ODing. And then that the officers were somehow were supposed to make the same on the spot under that pressure that they came too in their comfortable offices watching the video watching it over and over and over.

The prosecution had a good day, it's how the jury will view their diagnostic testimony based on the theoretical or will they listen to the people on the spot who actually witnessed his behavior. That is what the prosecution hinged today on, whether Floyd was intoxicated.

 

Yes when your coronary/pulmonary system fails you can no longer exchange the CO2 in your blood for O2. That has never been a dispute. If it had been just the arteries being cut off he would still have oxygen in the rest of his blood I would think, if that was asked I missed................yard clean up day ARRRGGGGHHHH

I did catch this witness mostly during maybe the last half and under cross and the Defense got some got points in at the end.

 

The substantial causal factor has been fully established by Dr. Martin Tobin and has not been successfully challenged so far. On paper that's enough to convict on Second-Degree Murder. Whether other expert witness testimony yet to come will contradict or raise questions about Dr. Tobin's opinions we will see. All the defense has to do is convince 1 juror that it was questionable and create that "shadow of a doubt".

SECOND-DEGREE MURDER

Minnesota Statute: 609.19.2(1)

To convict on this felony-level charge, prosecutors must prove either that the act was pre-planned or that other major crimes were committed with it, among other things. Second-degree murder in Minnesota can be "intentional" or "unintentional," the latter being the charge Chauvin faces. In Minnesota, it is punishable by up to 40 years in prison if convicted. In this case, this charge requires prosecutors to prove Chauvin caused Floyd's death while committing or trying to commit a felony — in this case, third-degree assault. Prosecutors don't have to prove that Chauvin was the sole cause of Floyd's death — only that his conduct was a "substantial causal factor."

https://kstp.com/news/explaining-the-charges-in-state-vs-derek-chauvin-trial/6039310/

These are the other charges:

THIRD-DEGREE MURDER

Minnesota Statute: 609.195(a)

To convict on this felony-level charge, prosecutors would have to show only that Floyd's death was caused by an act that was obviously dangerous, though not necessarily a felony. In Minnesota, this charge is punishable by up to 25 years in prison.

SECOND-DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER

Minnesota Statute: 609.205(1)

This felony-level charge carries a maximum prison sentence of 10 years in Minnesota. In this case, it requires proof that Chauvin caused Floyd's death through negligence that created an unreasonable risk, and consciously took the chance of causing severe injury or death.

 

More to the point that the level of drugs in Floyd's system were not sufficient to have killed him. But I would like to know if drugs could have killed him given his interaction with the police before Chauvin put a knee on his neck/shoulder/back.

The question is if any drugs he had taken killed him.

No, it's whether his intoxication was sufficient to kill him. The prosecution witnesses said he wasn't.

 

Nobody said he wasn't intoxicated that I can remember.
They said he was towards the high end of people getting a DUI that had fentanyl in their system..

 

I watched the Masters golf tournament part of the time yesterday and missed testimony. What I saw looked bad for the defense, but these are prosecution witnesses.

At least this trial isn't based on testimony of sleazeballs ratting out the defendant in return for a reduced sentence.