Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

It certainly is nonsense if you think that a prone covid patient on a CPAP machine which pumps pure oxygen into the patient on a soft bed is equivalent to a prone person on tarmac with 3 people on top of him.

 

And the death certificate will state an overdose was the cause of death

 

I haven't seen a lot of death certificates so I'm not sure what they will say. Probably the the heart stopped or they ran out of air with a proximate cause of drugs, heart attack or maybe too many cops sitting on their head.

 

What footage did YOU watch? This was just a normal arrest by some ordinary officers on an ordinary criminal. Who cares what colour he was?

I must have as I didn't see anything like that, just an officer using an legitimate restraint technique to detain a resisting criminal who died due to his drug abuse and health conditions. You're only quoting the prosecution, you haven't heard from the defence yet. And of the course the MPD is going to deny it to avoid being sued for millions. Chauvin did call the ambulance so I don;t see how you could think otherwise? You seem to think that the fact Chauvin was fired and charged implies he's guilty? All it actually means is he's being scapegoated.
The defence strategy is just to use the facts to counter the emotion the prosecution is trying to exploit, no one is saying Floyd committed suicide, he died by his own stupidity. If he was poisoned by CO why didn't that effect Chauvin?

DISGUSTING! Families abusing the legal system to try to intimidate witnesses. THEY should be prosecuted.

 

The knee to the neck precedure is not within the code of police practices in Minneapolis or anywhere else. It's brutal.

 

Untrue. That restraint technique is taught all over the country, and it's very safe. Maybe take the course and see? I even posted vids of it.

 

Pat Robertson: Chauvin should be put 'under the jail' (msn.com)
I don't know that Pat Robertson meant by that but he has some point to it.

When Chauvin kneeled on George Floyd's neck It loked like Chauvin meant to kill Floyd. If you can come up with something different, I'd welcome it.

 

It didn't look that way to everybody.

 

Yeah, that's the problem with thinking something and then actually doing something. When you actually do it, you know what's real and what isn't. This isn't the movies.

 

That said Pat Roberston is not only a con man, he's a f***** moron.

 

I've heard it mentioned that it is dangerous and is a likely cause of deaths in articles about both George Floyd and Eric Garner.

 

Ok thanks for admitting you know nothing about the case and you're just making crap up that contradicts the evidence and the expert witnesses testifying in the case.

Not quite, I'm quoting from expert witness testimony and I did hear from the defense. Unlike you I'm quite familiar with the case since I watched more than 90% of the trial.

It seems you're uninformed about that too since the MPD already lost millions in a civil wrongful death lawsuit.

I don't know who called an ambulance, it wasn't made clear. Regardless, calling an ambulance while continuing to press a knee to the neck for at least 3 minutes after there was no pulse, failing to assess Floyd's condition and failing to provide any medical assistance and even refusing to provide medical assistance does not qualify as providing medical assistance that Chauvin was trained to do. I don't how you could think that qualifies as providing medical assistance. That makes absolutely no sense.

No it just means he was fired because his superior believes he committed murder as his superior claims. And since it is his superior we're talking about neither you nor I have any standing to dispute that.

No it actually means exactly what his superior testified to.

The defense strategy is to raise doubt in the mind of at least 1 juror. That's a pretty common defensive strategy. Both sides try to use facts and testimony. It seems you know little or nothing about trials in criminal cases and keep inventing nonsense for some reason.

See above about inventing nonsense. Neither the prosecution nor the defense has ever made the claim that Floyd died by his own stupidity.

If you actually knew anything about the case you would know that the facts show that it was impossible for Chauvin to have died from CO poisoning. That was a suggestion from the expert witness testifying for the defense. The same one being sued for rendering false testimony in another similar case.

I don't know if you live in the US, it doesn't sound like it from your post. In the US the right to redress is protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. The US government cannot prosecute anyone for exercising a fundamental protected right. Having said that, if that family has proper grounds then what's really disgusting is having a paid expert witness concoct false testimony. And paying that same expert witness to concoct false testimony in yet another case.

 

Do you know some trick that I don't? When someone refers to something they had previously posted, unless they reproduce it (by quoting or copying) or, at least supply a post #, I know of no way to expeditiously find that quote. My only real recourse, when I have wanted to find an unidentified quote, has been to scroll through page after page, on my phone. Is that what you expected me to do, even though you were apparently looking right at it, a moment before, but felt it was too much trouble for you to grab it, or note its post number?

Well, I would have wanted to see the thing you were talking about. But if you're going to make it unnecessarily time-consuming for me to do so, then I guess it wasn't important to YOU, that I had any idea what you were talking about.

 

And the reason you say the restraint technique was done properly? Notwithstanding all the conditions named are treatable if not curable.

 

Oh, so the 'use of force' expert witness was just perfect?

 

I can't believe they rested and haven't countered the prosecution case.

 

he’s doing it by the book. I’ve done it. The problem is when you have someone with unknown (at the time) medical conditions that depress respiratory function. It’s not like you can tell someone having unexpected heart failure due to meth/fent from a person without heart issues who is just on meth/fent. That loon did this same act in 2019.

 

What's up with your attitude? I just thought you would want to know about a grammatical error that would confuse any of your readers who understood the meaning of a colon. If you were misspelling a word, I might point that out, as well, not to, "derail the discussion," but to keep you from looking ignorant. Did I talk about the colon thing in a taunting way? It seemed to me that I mentioned it in an off-handed fashion. And, since we'd just had a little colon incident, in your cutting off one of my quotes right after a colon, it seemed kind of an even jocular comment, in my mind.

Lastly, as I had never noticed you using a colon in our previous conversations, your using one, right after it coming up with us, made it hard to not connect them: either you were joking around by using it, or else our exchange had encouraged you to try using one, but you did so incorrectly. Accordingly, my correction seemed either to be a convivial comment, or the polite thing to point out.

In a similar spirit, I want to bring to your attention all the effort you have required of me, in the last two posts, just to answer your, what seem to me, petty complaints. And neither your complaints, nor my addressing of them, has moved our, "discussion," even an iota forward. Not to mention, that it must be incredibly boring for anyone else reading it which, fyi, is not what I'm going for.

I must assume that most other posters would also tire of this type of thing, & would probably have less patience than I have, thus far, shown. If you lose more correspondents than you'd like, you might want to consider using a dash or two of judiciousness, in self-editing. Don't worry, though: I won't correct your use of the double-dash, if you misconstrued my last comment.

 

Did I post that somewhere? Which one are you referring to anyway? There were at least 2 use of force expert witnesses testifying for the prosecution and one for the defense. And what do you mean by "perfect"?

 

Are seriously telling me placing your knee and body weight on the neck is 'by the book'??? Because ;

(A) That's not what his own Police Force/training officers testified to in Court.

(B) Its not what any Polcie Force I know of anywhere in the Western world trains its officers to do as part of that particular control technique

(C) It's not what I was trained to do ever. Not in 30 years of Policing! And if I did during re-qualification I would fail the course and have to resit.

The knee does not stay on the neck. Full stop. It can slip there if the suspect is struggling but its your duty to maintain situational awareness and remove it if/when it happens. Just like it's the duty of other officer's at the scene to monitor you and the suspect and warn you if you end up doing it.

 

Not every covid patient is on some form of breathing machine. My comment was offhand pertaining to Floyd being held face down and the threat posed by that position. I will grant that it's probably a bit different with an officer sitting on you.

 

HOW was he still a threat, once he was HANDCUFFED, and PASSED OUT, in the company of 4 cops? That was my point: his actions cannot be claimed to have been called-for, to any reasonable perspective. Why could the 4 not have just lifted Floyd & tossed him in the back seat-- because that would have endangered Floyd, or opened up the Department to liability?

What I had asked for, was not just your verdict on whether or not it was the right call. Nor is your judgement of the relative worthlessness of Mr. Floyd's life given for any purpose other than your own gratification. I'd asked you to quote a police manual, supporting Chauvin's behavior. But I'll settle for your merely answering my question that starts this post: namely, how was the handcuffed, unconscious suspect, threatening, "team safety?"

 

Whatever medical conditions he might have had don't factor in as much as choking the victim for the duration of time that happened. Blaming Floyds medical conditions for his death is pathetic......and indicates just how far some will go to defend violence that is barbaric and done by the "authorities". If there is such a concern about medical conditions......why did the killer not pay heed to Floyd when he kept saying" I can't breathe"???

Hard as it was to watch the video of Floyd dying under the knee of that arrogant killer.......... i it is pathetic to see the nonsense that comes out of the mouths of some of the folks for the defense.

They are really digging deep to sow "reasonable doubt". Not sure why this is even being televised.

 

Chauvin did not choke the .... ahem victim. Floyds medical conditions bear directly on why he died.

Floyd said he could not breathe as Chauvin was approaching in his patrol car. This is a common trick pulled by black criminals. How many other black criminals also claim the same thing?

The defense has to sow reasonable doubt. It worked for OJ Simpson as we all recall.

 

Yes it did work for OJ . The operative word is REASONABLE LE.

If everyone that said " I can't breathe was considered as playing a trick....... we would be even a more inhumane society than we are. The benefit the doubt would have saved Floyd's life. Was Dereks behavior worth it?? What was the benefit of all this???