DeSantis says no new lockdowns, mask mandates or any ...

De Santis 2024.

 

The numbers you cite are as manipulated and inaccurate as they come. Whistleblowers have pointed that out since the beginning, and even the CDC eventually acknowledged that fact.

The PCR tests were not meant for diagnostic purposes, but the fraud has them doing just that. They are useless, as Elon Musk demonstrated last month. Many common people on the street have received positive results for tests never taken. It's a fraud.

DeSantis has provided excellent leadership during this time of fraud and universal deception.

 

You should look at where the population is in Australia.

 

You think every test around the country is PCR test? Plus I don't think you even understand the basic technicalities of a test that seeks antigens vs one that recognizes antibodies. With a PCR you can have it and test negative but you cant not have it and test positive so if anything the counts would be low not high.

 

You don't seem to grasp that this entire fiasco is built upon the PCR test, a test never designed for diagnostic purposes, as described by its inventor Kary Mullis in 1986. The purpose of the test was to create copies of genetic material, NOT to be used for diagnostic purposes.

What a sweet scam--use a test off label, for purposes it was not designed for, and then test the entire country/world for a 'virus' that has the same morbidity rate as the flu virus.

Scamdemic all the way.

 

The false positive rate of RT-PCR tests for SARS-CoV-2 is somewhere between 1% and 4%. It’s consistently on the upper end in large volume scenarios where contamination and human error are more likely. It’s mainly a problem when actual numbers of infections in the tested population are low, because a high percentage of positive results are actually false positives. This throws a wrench in the gears of tracing etc.

Related to the actual false positive rate is the percentage of actual positive results that are in convalescent individuals who are no longer contagious. Viral RNA is present but non viable.

Finally, the false negative rate of RT-PCR is between 30-50% depending on what percentage of test subjects are symptomatic. In most studies, on the day a true positive test is most likely in a truly infected individual, the false negative rate is still around 20%

It’s true RT-PCR is a pretty inadequate tool for basing contact tracing and quarantining on. Unfortunately it’s what we have. And antigen tests aren’t really any better even though we had hoped they would be.

As far as antibody tests, there are some pretty good ones now vs. older “models”. Of course they are by design worthless for identifying individuals who are contagious.

 

They glommed on to a clip where Fauci said they were running to many cycles of the PCR tests.
What they haven't figured out yet is Fauci was talking about the number of cycles they we doing to say you weren't contagious anymore.
I think it was the same study that led the CDC to drop the quarantine time back to 10 days.

 

Do you have a link to the clip handy? I’d like to see it before commenting.

 

I can't find the video right now, but here is the problem.

Claim that high PCR test sensitivity inflates COVID-19 cases wrongly conflates the issue of contagiousness with the presence of infection - Health Feedback

 

Here it is with the beginning conveniently cut off.
Jeff Nelson on Twitter: "Fauci has know since at least July that most Covid “cases” are false. The US routinely uses 42-45 cycles, Fauci says any positive test above 35 cycles is a false positive. This is what the whole pandemic is based on - fake test results. Watch Fauci admit it. https://t.co/XatH5OzE6E" / Twitter

 

Thanks. Yes I would have liked to hear more of the previous discussion and the actual question Fauci was asked.

We probably agree here. If Fauci had said viable virons were rarely found in subsequent samples with Ct’s above 36 after a previous “positive“ with a lower cycle threshold (Ct) it would have been impossible to take the comment out of context.

Anyway, the criticism of RT-PCR is valid in a couple respects. First, positive/negative binary report with no Ct data is not particularly useful for contact tracing or quarantine purposes. But if Ct data is reported and used to try and infer current stage of infection there is a good chance it will be misleading as well because each test manufacturer and even each lab will have different Ct’s running the same sample. Ct data is really only useful if it’s compared to other data coming from the same batch of tests run in the same lab.

Secondly, historically positive RT-PCR tests have been reported as active and inferred to be contagious. The clip of Fauci does show many RT-PCR positives should be reported as convalescent, like antibody tests. The problem is we really don’t know which ones without at least two positive PCR tests over a period of time (probably days) and also some idea of clinical signs of disease. A single positive in a pre or asymptomatic individual really doesn’t tell us much we need to know. A Ct of 39 could mean we are seeing non viable viral debris or it could mean we are recently infected and about to begin shedding peak volumes of viable virons in the next few days.

As I always say, RT-PCR sucks. But it’s the best we have and it looks like it’s the best we will have at least for this pandemic. My problem is that most of the problems with RT-PCR were withheld from the public. I don’t know if it was politically motivated or something else. But less than full transparency makes people, especially those who aren’t intimately familiar with things like PCR (and most have no reason to be), rightly suspicious of “experts”, politicians, and media who withhold that information. Especially when the lack of transparency and outright lies are not uncommon.

 

Yeh, we agree. A high Ct (cycle threshold) may imply an individual isn’t contagious and are convalescent, but they are still a “case” and have been infected.

 

Do you think it's good policy to use a test not designed for diagnostic purposes for diagnostic purposes? When that happens, do you see it as rational to trust the results of such tests?

 

It was our only/best choice. PCR technology is one of the greatest technologies ever developed. It’s revolutionized biological sciences, especial genetics. It just isn’t great for diagnosing viral disease or making conclusions about those infected. The dishonesty is the problem. All that would have had to happen to satisfy me is the truth. Use what you have, but be honest about the limitations and how those limitations affect/corrupt official data. There was no transparency and much information that was truly misleading. That’s unforgivable.

 

Yes, the dishonesty is the problem, and it is apparent to any curious mind.

Using a test that was designed to create copies of genetic material, a test NOT designed for diagnostic purposes, for diagnostic purposes is obviously dishonest, both as "science" and as public policy.

Yet that's what we have.

The blatant dishonesty is one more mighty contributor to the scam. Manipulated numbers, of deaths and of cases, are the foundation of the magnificent fraud.

 

To go a level deeper, we could go farther and say lies aren’t the problem. It’s actually an ignorant populace unable to spot dishonesty or lack of transparency. I guess both must exist to achieve this level of fraud.

What should really scare folks is the fact the people doing the lying are the ones who intentionally created the ignorance in the populace.

 

What a slap in the face this is to Florida's senior population. Knowing they are high risk, they have bunkered down for 9 months to protect themselves and others. And now their efforts and concerns and the positive results of their efforts are being sh4t on and reversed by a mentally ill governor devoid of morality, ethocs, and empathy. I hope they are paying attention.

 

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Florida's COVID restrictions have been lifted since September......

And Floridians are still as free as they ever were to wear masks, stay home, avoid crowds, or even sleep wearing Hazmat suits if they want to.

 

Right, keep making my ppint.

 

I guess I don't know what "ppint" you are trying to make.

Your first reply implied you thought the reopenings were new and would have catastrophic effects, when in fact Florida has been reopened since September (and with no catastrophic results.)

You also mentioned Florida's seniors have been "bunkered down for 9 months to protect themselves and others" when Florida actually began reopening in May and fully reopened in September, so I don't know what you are talking about when you say "9 months" of being "bunkered down". Likewise there is nothing preventing anyone from remaining "bunkered down" as long as they like. Just because the state is reopened doesn't mean you can't keep wearing your mask or staying home.

I suspect you actually don't know anything about Florida and you're just one of those partisans out to politicize COVID and you wanted to jump in to take a cheap shot against a Trump supporting state and our Republican governor. You failed.

 

Your point being that you are thoroughly indoctrinated by the fear-mongering and propaganda of Fauci & Friends is made quite well by every post you make.

 

Florida isn't looking too bad, thanks DeSantis!

With no lockdown or mask mandate, Florida has roughly same hospitalization level as 2018 flu season

 

24,000 more people are dead and you're kinda celebrating over here. :\ Florida is not doing well.

 

He may be celebrating a governor who hasn't deliberately murdered tens of thousands of elderly in nursing homes by deliberately getting the infected with covid-19. Or he could be celebrating that Florida has lower death rates than those areas with the strictest covid-19 spreading mask requirements. Homemade masks by lay people wearing them hour after hour, day after day, are both covid-19 self infecting and spreading masks.

 

Yea, maybe if we didn't have to spend every waking moment educating anti-maskers on the need to wear face coverings in the first place we could devote some of the effort to educate everyone on the full scope of safe, effective mask usage/handling. And don't come at me with 'death rates', I don't fall for that mathematical trickery. Florida has been in the top 3 of COVID causality producing states since April and even as cases reach into 20k a day our inept, incompetent Governor MoRon DeathSantis wont so much as debate the idea of a mask mandate.