DHS Announces New Proposed Immigration Rule to Enforce Long-Standing Law Promoting Self-Sufficiency

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  1. camp_steveo

    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    DHS Announces New Proposed Immigration Rule to Enforce Long-Standing Law that Promotes Self-Sufficiency and Protects American Taxpayers

    Whether it makes sense or not, this is Trump's DHS reaction to the number of illegal immigrants present in the US today. It is unfortunate that law abiding immigrants, in an attempt to moderate the total number of immigrants in the US, are potentially going to be denied a green card if they need assistance such as food stamps or HUD vouchers.

    My own position is that because diversity strengthens us and legal immigrants are a much more diverse group than illegals, I would prefer the southern US border not be open. I do not support a wall, but I do support making eVerify as mandatory as a SSN. I support using drones and blimps to monitor the wilderness areas of the border in conjunction with long-range dismounted patrols of BP agents with the objective of stopping coyote human smugglers. I do not, however, support curtailing legal immigration as a response to a high population of illegal immigrants.


    There is more to it than the diversity issue. There are actual economic factors that are affected when the population continues to grow, whether legal or not. I believe in the right to travel, but moving in and staying permanently should be done at a sustainable rate. It's just common sense and every country does it.

    That said, this DHS proposal, is not what I would do. But, we all know Trump is playing the role of a hard liner on immigration, even though he has not kept his promise of federally mandating eVerify.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most nations do this.

    Shouldn't we be more like Europe?

    I tell you what...try immigrating to Mexico and see what rules they require of you.

    Why is it that only America should let people in with no ability to take care of themselves?

    And for the record, we are diverse enough.

    Letting in a few thousand more Mexicans isn't going to change our nation in terms of diversification.
     
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    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds great, you do not get to come here to be a burden on our taxpayers.
     
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    I am not suggesting that we let in people with no ability to care for themselves, but to say that having a single problem such as needing food stamps or some other temporary assistance is a reason to deny someone a green card is not going to do anything except cost us some good people. It is kinda like taking away the dream of coming to America to find a new life.
     
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    Actually, legal immigration is much more diverse with people coming from all over.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We have enough good people, we don't need more.

    And what makes you think being a legal immigrant makes you a good person?

    Seems to me the good people will not need to be on food stamps.

    And why do they need to run away to find a new life? Seems to me the good ones would be staying and trying to fix their own nation.
     
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    Funny that most other nations do not share your view.

    Try immigrating to Australia or Ireland, its damn near impossible because of all the requirements.
     
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    It’s always been the law...........it just hasn’t been enforced in the last 25 years in our effort to admit as many illiterate, low skilled Hispanic and Muslim immigrants in to replace those horrible White people who created the greatest country in the history of mankind. The sooner we can be like El Salvador the better we will be........right?
     
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    And who in the world ever said diversification is a good thing?

    I have never agreed with that, all it does is water down your own culture and I happen to like American culture.

    That is not really a very strong selling point.

    What we want are people that come here to accept our values, not change them into their own.
     
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    Workforce Diversity: A Key to Improve Productivity

    or this one:
    Among other results, the economists found that shifting from an all-male or all-female office to one split evenly along gender lines could increase revenue by roughly 41 percent.
    http://news.mit.edu/2014/workplace-diversity-can-help-bottom-line-1007
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    to me it's common sense. A diverse group will have more variations of ideas and methods.
     
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    Guess you should tell Hooters to start hiring dudes wearing tight orange shorts then.

    After all, the economists say it will be a good thing right?
     
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    Trying immigrating to Australia or New Zealand with a Coke and a smile...
     
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    I've been looking at becoming an expat when I retire. Every country I have considered has self sufficiency requirements.
     
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    We shouldn't let a single soul in if they can't financially support themselves. NOT a single person. And what good people are you referring to? Like we don't have enough "good" people already that can't take care of themselves and are on !!COUGH!! temporary assistance. ;) We have millions of citizens who've been on temporary assistance their whole fracking lives. We need MORE? Don't think so.
     
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    Some ridiculous logic twister you need to apply here to get this point across.
     
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    Congress makes the laws on E-verify.
     
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    The wall is necessary along urban areas of the border to slow down the aliens long enough for INS to apprehend them

    As for immigrants if they cannot support themselves they have no reason to be here
     
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    I agree wholeheartedly with @Pred on this.
     
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    The process to track and deport legal immigrants on food stamps will cost more than the food stamps.

    GOP logic

    like when states found out it would cost millions to catch .0002% drug users in the food stamp program.

    The GOP...spending billions to end theft and waste.
     
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    You mean because unAmerican liberal lawyers will tie up the deportation proceedings in court?

    Probably

    But like the man said, millions for defense but not one cent as tribute
     
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    Deporting them is one thing. Disqualifying them from welfare is something else. It should be fairly simple in the computer age to flag welfare recipients (or applicants) who are legal immigrants, and automatically decline them.
     
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    A diverse group will also have more variations of bad ideas and ineffective methods.

    I have seen it first hand. The trick is choosing the better ideas and effective methods. If that is done then you are correct.
     
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    Most legal immigrants have a citizen sponsor. This sponsor has to agree to reimburse the government if the immigrant they sponsor uses means tested benefits. Of course that is rarely enforced.
     
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    The OP said deport.

    So trump wants to deny food stamps and keep them here? To do what...die on the streets in hunger?
     

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