DHS Announces New Proposed Immigration Rule to Enforce Long-Standing Law Promoting Self-Sufficiency

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  1. Crawdadr

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    Perhaps it would be better to keep that trend so that wages rise, which is a goal of both parties if I recall correctly? Then in key industries we open up select immigration from people we need and know have the skills we want.
     
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    He has a say for sure. But he cannot make law.
     
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    I appreciate your service. I honestly, genuinely do. But as far as the wife/ children/ food stamps part, perhaps it would have been wiser to wait to have children until you could afford to feed them without food stamps....
     
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    And ? So then you can explain why a hard working immigrant who is/could be contributing should be denied their chance ?
     
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    We'll have a sign up sheet so people can volunteer to support them until they're on their feet.
     
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    No it won't.

    They're already required to be tracked by INS.
     
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    And exactly how did you get over the language issue?
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    In the Army they had English classes, and at the lab everyone spoke English good enough. Another thing, as a Directv tech, I had a translator app on my phone that let me do work orders for non-English speakers with no problems.
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    I married a single mother with 2 toddlers. I enlisted so that I could be a better provider. We did ok, but we did take food stamps for a while. There are a lot of soldiers on assistance.

    https://www.military.com/paycheck-c...-do-military-members-qualify-food-stamps.html
     
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    You know that you can be worth millions and still not have enough money to pay your bills?

    Its called spending more than you take in and it shouldn't be met with help, it should be met with ridicule so people no longer do it.
     
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    We're not getting people from high IQ countries, it's just the opposite. So I'm not sure what a low IQ, non educated person who doesn't speak our language can contribute.

    Taking a different approach, the liberal state of California has a huge number of HOAs where diversity is frowned upon, i.e. you will conform or you will not live here. On the east coast it's the same thing with the co-ops in NY and NJ, the last thing they want is diversity. They may let a Mexican or Pakistani in, but they're going to have to be rich and low key.
     
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    Minimum wage automatically qualifies you for assistance. It has nothing to do with how you spend, its not enough to live on before you spend a penny. Its where the term “living wage” is derived.

    Their is no reason that someone who works full time should qualify for, and need assistance. But we all know that its not really assistance to those who receive it, it is wage assistance to their employers ;)
     
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    To say, "We're not getting people from high IQ countries" is a little disingenuous.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/art...nts-and-immigration-united-states#Demographic
     
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    The point is that the proposal to crack down on legal immigration because illegals are at such high rates is like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

    We need people to immigrate to the US. Legal immigration is better than illegal. Why are we proposing to cut legal?
     
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    That is a fascinating chart.
     
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    Did Directv require English be spoken when conducting business within the company?
     
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    What's your point, that everyone in your country should be white and speak like you?
     
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    We are discussing communication barriers in the workplace that can lead to confusion. Let's not turn this into some kind of racist discussion. Diversity does have it's benefits but it can also created issues as well. I worked for a US defense contractor in Puerto Rico refurbishing old UH1 and AH1 Army helicopters. I was also the union steward for a large union. The workforce was 98% Puerto Rican and 2% other. I am white and my primary language is English. The manuals were in English. The forms were all in English. The workforce was required to speak, read and write English fluently which is understandable. Because most employees spoke Spanish meetings were conducted in Spanish. Supervisors spoke in Spanish. The workers communicated with each other in Spanish. When it came to technical information, many were lost. Throughout the day I had to stop what I was doing and help explain the procedure using a translator which made it more difficult to convey the information. Needles to say the contract ended many years before it was supposed to because the completion of each helicopter was not meeting the deadline. Communication in a highly technical field is an absolute must for many reasons including safety of the workforce.
     
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    I don't think this opinion is fair, frankly. It presumes that a current situation is one that will last forever. For example, if you have a good paying job, the economy is doing great, and then there is a crash in your specific sector that crushes your business and you're laid off.

    The kids you had when it was going well now all of a sudden don't disappear.

    It's an unfair argument to make because it presumes a foresight that all people simply do not have.

    The reason food stamps and other social safety nets exist is to provide for our fellow citizens in their time of need.

    I agree there are plenty of problems with the system and plenty of folks who shouldn't be getting food stamps - like Old Dirty Bastard, the millionaire rolling up to cash his welfare check in a limousine.

    But insisting that you should have the foresight to know when your business is going to be in trouble - that's just insane.
     
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    ok, so if the US is conducting business in Puerto Rico, maybe we should use their language, the way we expect foreigners to speak English when in the US.
     
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    And maybe every single pilot who flies internationally should learn the language of every country they fly into? Maybe the US Army should print all their manuals and forms in Spanish? One thing is for sure, the defense contractor picked the wrong location to refurbish the helicopters. If mechanics can't comprehend technical manuals written in English or fill out forms written in English you tell me how this "diversified" group of workers benefited the company?
     

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