DIABETES is primarily a disease of relative caloric excess problem

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    DIABETES is primarily a disease of relative caloric excess problem; marked by high glucose levels, insulin resistance caused by high visceral fat (fully saturated adipose cells) due to relatively insufficient activity (exercise) resulting in excessive caloric accumulation (visceral fat etc).

    (Just like traffic jams are harmful to Singapore).

    Both fat cells and muscle cells are instructed by hormone insulin to absorb glucose from blood. However, fat cells and undeveloped (atrophied+ fat saturated) muscle tissues have limited glucose absorption capability either due to fat saturation or else poor function (muscle volume lack due to lack of regular aerobic and weight bearing exercise) respectively.

    Marathon runners consume pure glucose during competitions as an instant energy source but all Olympic standard Marathon runners have minimal visceral fat (and ostensibly no insulin resistance) due to their high metabolism lifestyle in running long distance in training everyday.

    Due to the ready availability of high caloric food in Singapore and the encouragement to eat more ("cashless" payment options), Singaporeans need to exercise more to build more muscle volume and function to increase their calorie burning capacity vz increasing both their resting as well as maximum metabolic rate, as well as reduction of visceral fat so that glucose produced from food can be absorbed by muscles and unsaturated adipose (fat) cells.

    Singapore has done well to make our roads free from traffic jams by limiting the car population with limited COEs, scrapping cars with expired COEs so that roads are optimally used. Calories too can be controlled vz effective supply and demand adjustments: more non-digestible vegetable matter, complex foods: unprocessed natural fat and protein can lengthen the duration of digestion (satiety) and thus reduce between meal hunger pangs whilst increased exercise and measurable volumetric increase in muscle mass can increase baseline metabolic rate to allow unsaturated adipose cells to do their rightful job in responding to insulin and absorb glucose from blood.

    A high glucose level due to supply + demand imbalances is like a road jam-packed with cars causing road damage (excessive start-stop vehicle motions) and environmental damage due to air pollution due to excessive vehicle volume and travel duration).

    Diabetes is a disease of chronic caloric excess and sedentary life resulting in fully saturated adipose Cells and atrophied fat saturated muscle tissue: insensate to insulin due to physical limits in caloric storage being exceeded/ reached resulting in insulin resistance and consequent blood glucose excess which is self-destructive and in the long run, the cause of many diabetes related complications like blindness, cancer, kidney failure, impotence, heart failure, amputations, frequent infections and stroke (/dementia).
     
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    Agreed, so everyone get off the couch and get back to your correct weight.
     
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    Of course it is primarily a CALORIC input and output issue. Every fat(adipose) and muscle cell has a finite limit where caloric content is concerned and any further increase would mandate creation of more fat cells since muscle mass is unlikely to increase without strength training or aerobic exercise .

    Thus the resistance to insulin due to already energy saturated cells.

    With insufficient demand for energy expenditure due to sedentary lifestyles, the pancreas has no choice but to go into overdrive to lower blood glucose levels because high blood glucose is TOXIC to cells (inflammation of blood vessels is what causes heart attacks (atherosclerosis), blindness, kidney failure, amputation etc). High insulin levels can also promote cancer because insulin and human growth hormone have similar origins/function.

    Finally, the system breaks down, firstly due to high blood glucose causing damage to the pancreas itself amongst others, secondarily due to overworked pancreas, fatigued to the point of failure due to the insulin production overdrive.

    Thus, diabetes is indeed a disease caused by caloric consumption being in excess of caloric expenditure resulting in all the excess energy accumulation in the body causing damage everywhere inside (just like how u damage a lithium battery when u charge it to ABOVE capacity).

    For those economically inclined, diabetes is simply a failure of caloric economics with the excess calories causing havoc being too much to properly be absorbed by cells already at their maximum caloric storage limit.
     
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    When I was just a lad...

    ... my Nanna would make `nanna puddin'...

    ... an' I'd eat all she had...

    ... an' Pappaw said I'd turn into a bowl o' `nanna puddin'...

    ... but instead I developed diabetes.

    Yet still, ever' once in a while,...

    ... I enjoy a good bowl o' `nanna puddin'.
     
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    In many cases diabetes can be mostly reversed if the person sticks to a healthy diet and does not eat too much in one sitting, eating small meals throughout the day.
    But usually, the whole reason someone got diabetes in the first place was that they couldn't help eating unhealthy amounts of sugars and refined carbohydrates.
    Doctors will not tell you this, but if you hold to a very strict diet, after 2 or 3 years 80% of your diabetes symptoms will go away for 80% of people who have diabetes, and we're not talking about using insulin here.
    It's important to eat vegetables, fat, and protein together at the same time with any carbohydrate (in other words a complete meal), as this helps slow down the breakdown of carbohydrates to a regulated level.

    But a lot of people want an easy fix, some magical pill that can cure it all, and for those people there is insulin. To compound matters, a lot of people with diabetes are lazy because the blood sugar problems make things very difficult for them. Oh, did I mention physical activity every day is also important because it helps get the metabolism going? So you can see the self reinforcing cycle.
     
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    To respond to the OP, because he's asian, always eat your noodles with vegetables. No sweet things!
     
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    DIABETES is primarily a disease of stupidity. People don't know how to eat right and are poisoned with sugar from pre-packaged foods.
     
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    Whilst insulin would doubtlessly help reduce the excessive level of destructive (inflammation causing) glucose in blood, i feel that it is just kicking the can down the road if no attempt is made in changing the economics of energy consumption and utilization in a person.

    Muscles as i understand have 4 times the glucose absorption capacity as compared to liver (based on average body glycogen stores (80% in muscle, 20% in liver)).

    Insulin supplementation vz regular insulin injections can somewhat overcome insulin resistance by brute force, only perhaps to force adipose cells to divide to try to contain the excess calories as more fat but surely there is a limit since each gram of fat can only contain 9kCal of energy and no more...

    More insulin also means more propensity for weight gain which makes the patient much less likely to want to exercise since it might be PAINFUL to do so because the bones, mucsles and joints may not be trained or strong enough to carry the ever increasing fat mass. Medical personnel may also discourage insured patients from exercising since the more medical problems created means more medical consultations and services rendered and thus more $$$ claims/profits to be made from the insurance company.

    Where insulin becomes just an opportunity to avoid focus on increasing metabolism to allow glucose absorption the physiological insulin level way (by well trained active muscle cells (not already fat/glycogen saturated)), then insulin treatment becomes part of the distraction(/problem) rather than a part of the comprehensive solution.
     
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    kaze wrote: But usually, the whole reason someone got diabetes in the first place was that they couldn't help eating unhealthy amounts of sugars and refined carbohydrates.

    Yeah, like fer instance...

    ... I just finished a personal pan pizza...

    ... with a banana-nut, chocolate chip cookie.
     
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    I think its not the sugars that are the root cause but the balance.

    Marathon runners always gulp the pure glucose stuff down (energy gels, isotonic drinks etc) during their marathon run for instant energy boost but this is warranted due to their intense energy expenditure during the marathon run but their blood glucose doesn't rise to unhealthy levels because the muscles readily absorb the excess glucose which is rapidly burned off intra run or else used to replace exhausted glycogen stores.... it is the couch potatoes who are tripped up by all the processed, hidden sugars mainly because being simple sugars, they are digested and absorbed in no time at all and before the couch potato has time to count calories consumed, he is hungry once more. So as compared to someone with a balanced diet containing non-digestible plant fibre, unprocessed proteins, fat and complex carbohydrates , the couch potato actually consumes many more calories per day because they are digested and absorbed at lightning speed and he still ends up feeling hungry all the time.
     
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    Most people with diabetes are not marathon runners. And of the ones who are, most them became marathon runners after they got diabetes, when they tried to start leading a more healthy lifestyle.
    It's true a little bit of sugar can be beneficial to those who engage in intense physical activity, right after training when their energy is depleted. But for everyone else, your average American, it's best avoided.

    You'll get more than enough natural sugar through fruits and milk (both of which should be eaten in moderation).

    It's amazing how hard it can be to go to the supermarket and fill your cart up with things that don't have any added sugar. Try it some time, read through all the ingredients of everything you buy. With the average American (or Singaporean) already loaded with sugar in their normal diets, it doesn't take much to push some of them over the edge into contracting diabetes.
     
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    You might make clear an obvious distinction between type 1 and type 2 diabetes. Otherwise it is an excellent analogy.
     
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    There was a time when I felt like I was developing Type 2 symptoms and reversed them by cutting back. But then, there was also a time when I thought I was miraculously helped by a prayer. :D

    Type 2 diabetes is a problem of too much caloric intake, yes, at least from what I've learned about it. It's likely not just all the sugar that people take in, but the overabundance of calories in all forms, which happen to come mostly in sugars and carbohydrates. Processed foods are generally calorie-dense, allowing people to take in way too much (relative to what's normal and healthy in a human diet) in a relatively low volume of food.

    Education is of vital importance here, so I expect we as a nation will continue to fail miserably at managing our caloric intake, and obesity and Type 2 diabetes will continue to be a major problem..
     
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    I've heard that most of our daily caloric consumption is for basic metabolic functions and not due to exercise. Seems to me that people just need to focus on setting the right caloric limit, with exercise being helpful but not as important in managing BMI and diabetes. In fact, the fatter the person, the higher that basic metabolic consumption, since there is more work involved for the body to maintain itself and move itself around when it's carrying more fat, making exercise even less of a factor for them.
     
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    I've only heard about the studies, but I don't know anyone who's actually done the program to reverse it.
     
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    So I was diagnosed, and now do not have diabetes.... and feel that gives me a little more experience
     
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    Whilst a fat person would ostensibly require more energy to perform a certain task like run 100m then a normal weight guy, it is likely that due to joint pains etc, the fat guy would avoid any physical exertion altogether and maybe even get an excuse from his physician to claim disability allowance for his arthritic condition (without specification of its obesity cause) and then hire a nurse/maid to do all the chores instead.

    Calories are an imput: output issue, just like $$$: one should spend within one's means; but in modern times , it seems that many are consuming calories BEYOND their daily needs due to poor education (sugar industry bribing harvard scientist years ago to place obesity blame on fats solely resulting in misleading of the public into consuming more refined carbohydrates then is healthy), gluttony or just sloth and the avoidance of any exercise or physical activity.

    People like Michael Phelps (olympic 200m butterfly swimming gold medalist) consume as i read 10,000kCal/day, way beyond basal metabolic rate, but that is the energy requirement for someone training for hours every day swimming perhaps 10kms/day...
     
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    T2 DIABETES is a condition of pancreatic strain and fatigue due to chronic CALORIC EXCESS state.

    Pancreas is like a fine tune/ backup mechanism like parachute in fighter plane or spare tyre for car: only for emergencies/ flat replacement till main tyre is patched ASAP- not a mainstay mode of transport. To use it as mainstay mode of transport is dysfunctional or will damage pancreas after few years of misuse (caloric excess, visceral obesity / over eating).

    Singaporeans consume too much sugar due to stress as pure sugar is like steroids : gives energy boost, but will give side effects like T2 diabetes.

    As long as the fat cells and muscle cells are jam packed with calories (glycogen, fats etc), it would be an uphill task getting more calories stored, thus the insulin resistance synonymous with T2 diabetes .

    Exercise can BOTH burn off the calories as well as build/develop muscle tissue which can then be a better means to enlarge caloric storage capacity. Better muscle development can also be stress reducing since 80% of glucose can be stored by muscles which can provide warmth and energy to overcome work challenges: prolonged work without food, sitting long periods at desk: thus reducing the need for high glucose drinks, snacks etc.

    Lack of sufficient sleep is another cause of high stress that promotes over eating and addiction to high caloric sweet drinks.

    Keeping a healthy weight also improves productivity since obesity is a main cause of sleep disturbances like OSA that results in day time sleepiness and tardy work which causes stress and consequently over eating.

    Finally, a more active lifestyle of sports and games would promote healthy interaction and a good body image to combat stress which is a healthy life option besides improving one's alertness and coordination : so as to be less susceptible to suffering osteoporosis and also reduce fracture causing falls in older age.
     
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    It is often said that by the time Diabetes is diagnosed, already 50% of the insulin producing cells in the pancreas are already dead either poisoned by raised glucose levels or else over stimulated by the high glucose that they are fatigued to failure.

    Even if lifestyle were radically changed, maybe salvage is possible though I don't know how well pancreatic cells can regenerate but for sure, weight loss, dietary changes and a bus load of exercise is necessary to rebuild the normal glucose absorption capacity of ample tone muscle cells as well as rid the visceral fat which is a mainstay cause of insulin resistance . Quitting smoking and having enought sleep are both very important too.
     
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    Have you done this? As it turns out I have
     
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    Maybe a complete lifestyle change can reverse the diagnosis of Diabetes, but few people do it because they have become slothful and find it too inconvenient to exercise or become more physically active.

    Regeneration potential of pancreas:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140820164406.htm
     
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    Actually, it's as likely due to lack of movement, as it is to high fat diets. Thin people can and do acquire it. Fat people can avoid it.

    Another factor is skipping breakfast. If you skip the morning meal, AND don't exercise regularly, you're potentially doomed no matter what your weight is.
     
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    Coming back to this. It's all about metabolism (endocrine system).

    Think of it as a furnace. A functioning metabolism is constantly stoked (movement), and a sluggish one isn't. The less it's stoked, the less it's able to 'burn off'. People often blame their weight on a sluggish metabolism, but it's their lack of exercise slowing metabolism. Chickens/eggs.

    Ditto insulin resistance, polycystic ovaries, etc etc. All result from sluggish metabolism, which results from lack of movement.
     

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