Did Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua teach the same things as Rabbi Nachman of Breslov?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For many years I have suspected that near death experience accounts and such phenomena as past life regression under hypnosis had the potential to greatly decrease discord between many religious groups. In December of 2012 I read a book that presents a powerful case that Rabbi Jesus may actually have taught his followers essentially all the same things that Rabbi Nachman of Breslov believed and taught!

    Here is what he writes regarding what he saw Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua state in one of his lectures to his disciples:

    Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. page 117,118, "The Thomas Book, Near Death and a Quest for Another Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus".......

    All of this began with a near death experience in 1966:

    http://www.thomastwin.com/3 A Autobio.html

    (Bruce Fraser MacDonald Ph. D.)
     
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    Yes, stored in our individual Unconscious minds are the memories of having been here before, and b=of having recntly been Born Again, now:

    "So you judge and condemn others and forsake love in order to enter heaven. Yet I tell you that the Father has many heavens and many homes for you. This is not your only life, and these are not the only things you have to learn. You will have lives in other times and places.”

    “Do not judge the gentiles? You may have been a Gentile. Do not judge the prostitute” You may have been a prostitute. Do not judge the Roman or Greek? You may have been those."

    "For just as the Father, (The Force of Nature), raises the dead (who rest in the human gene pool) and gives them life (again, from their genetic blueprint carried in the blood of the humanity that exists already), even so, (theCollective Unconscious mind), the Son, (watching over them and each generation of the living, though he is inaccessiable to their Consciousness until the next adaptation essential to our evolution: [Gen 9:11]), also gives life to (the next species yet to evolve, Homoiousian sapiens), whom He wishes."
    For not even the Father judges anyone, (they either adapt and will adapt or become extinct), but He, (the Force behind Nature), has given all judgment to (the Unconscious mind inside of their psyche), the Son, so that all will honor the Son (through the altruistic love of others) even as they honor the Father (in the love for God: these two loves are the sum of the Torah and the prophets).
     
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    Amazing stuff. If you think there cannot be a force higher than yourself, that this life and death are the sum total of your existence, that all you can see and know will be revealed to you by your high school science teacher then you live in a state of spiritual poverty and blindness.
     
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    What could be higher than the Force which is behind this mystery we call Life?

    The Force behind the ever unfolding moment by moment unveiling of the next frame of Reality in which we are included, and live, is The Almighty that nurtures and threatens us with both more Life and possible immediate Death.
    His son is The Truth that unfolds in His wake, and the holy spirit is found in our mind that contemplates both.
     
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    Excellent post Cupid Dave!!!!

    I read the two books by Helen Wambach Ph. D. back in the early '90's and I was astonished!

    Yes, when volunteers in the '60's and '70's and '80's were regressed in time while in a hypnotic state they described past lives with a level of accuracy that amazed many historians. They also described the typical near death experience account decades before Oprah and other made them common knowledge. They were describing their actual deaths from past lives though, not merely a brush with death.


    One of the most astonishing things, (to me anyway), that I ran into while studying the paranormal was that when regressed in time under hypnosis men see themselves as women in a past life...and women see themselves as men in another time and place?????!!!!

    http://www.pureinsight.org/node/1165

    Helen Wambach Ph. D.:

    .............


     
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    Exactly!

    I was certainly impressed by the idea that Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua, apparently left Judaea when he was 14 and travelled all the way to Tibet and had a deep respect for the meditation techniques that he had learned in India!

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    http://www.thomastwin.com/6 A Thomas background.html
    Background to The Thomas Book

    I was certainly impressed by the details he was shown regarding the meeting of Rabbi Jesus with Mary Magdalene.

    ....Thomas Twin page 194:
     
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    It makes sense concerning the concept of eternal life as mentioned in the Bible.
    That "life after death" would work this way, in hind sight, is possible and feasible, and rational.

    In other words, this explains the mystery that religious people have been trying to understand since Moses, but in a rational way, not the metaphysical ideas of the various denominational church originators.

    The idea that we will ultimately judge ourselves is supported here, since we will look back into time ourselves, once we are privy to the memories genetically locked into the Unconscious mind and born again in a new physical body far into the futher.

    It also explains the promise of Rev 21:1-4:

    Revelation 21:4-5
    And God, (blessing them with Total Phylogenetic Consciousness: [Carl Jung]), shall wipe away, (in their awakened Unconscious Mind: [Freudian Hypothesis]), all tears from their eyes, (for life is a genetically remember able, a continuum, we shall remember from one generation to the next living generation); and,
    (in genetic memories of prior existences held in our Unconscious Mind) there shall be no more death... (For we shall not all "sleep:" [1Co15:51], but total phylogenetic Consciousness will have evolved), neither sorrow... (For we, individually, are part of a living continuum of our own past, flowers upon our genetic vine), nor crying,.. (for we are happy in these revelations of reconstitution from our human gene pool), neither shall there be any more pain, (as men will have neurological control, a self-hypnotic ability to stop the nerve signals to the brain),... for the former things (in Modern Homo sapiens paradigm of the life experience) are passed away.
    And he, (the Christ, the ancient, phylogenetic, Collective Unconscious Mind in their own Kingdom within), that sat upon the throne (within the kingdom of the evolving Homoiousian sapiens' brain: [Luke 17:21]) said, Behold, (in this way, through evolution: [Gen 9:11-18]), I make all things (in human experience) new.
    And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true, (i.e.; words of Christ himself, who is the experiential presence of Truth in us, rational, the Unconscious mind), and (worthy of) faithful (belief).
     
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    WOW!!!!!

    I have been addicted to discussion forums for a decade and I don't think I have ever seen such astonishingly deep....and ACCURATE.....descriptions of the hidden meaning within scripture!!!!!!!

    Way to go CubidDave!!!!!
     
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    Here is another saying that I know you will enjoy!

     
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    Mellen Benedict was shown that the Creator has planned and cheographed an infinite number of Big Events over infinite time in the past.

    Investing infinite time in the creation....would certainly tend to give the Creator a greater emotional attachment to all of us than we can begin to imagine...considering how young we are.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/63814881/TheVision-The-Final-Quest-the-Call-RickJoyner-PDF
    Pastor Rick Joyner, The Vision, Page 87:
    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a05
    (Mellen Benedict)
     
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    Wonderful wonderful wisdom but who recorded the words of Yeshua and how do we know they are attributed to him?
     
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    I don't "know" with absolute certainty of course....but I have to make a judgment based on my 53 years of life.

    1. I do believe that with very few exceptions, if a person has a genuine brush with death, where technically they may actually be temporarily dead, there is perhaps a "covenant" between the G-d of Abraham with humans....that G-d will meet with us and review our lives at the moment of our deaths?????!!!

    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/30006.htm
    6]
    If this book was actually written by THE Baruch....The friend and servant of the Prophet Jeremiah...then of course there is a high degree of probability that this statement is accurate and identifies the being of light of NDE fame as none other than the Word/Logos of the Christian Bible and as the Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden of Jewish prophetic writings???!! (I think)!

    If you were to read Bruce Fraser MacDonald's, The Thomas Book, Near Death and a Quest....I strongly suspect that you would tend to agree with me that Dr. MacDonald saw all this and did the best that he possibly could to explain it for our benefit as well as the benefit of people over the coming centuries...but....there is always a possibility that he might have been somehow deceived much as our grandparents Adam and Eve were also deceived?????!!!

    All I can say for certain is that I get the impression that he is one of the most astonishingly humble writers that I have ever had the privilege to read a book by!!!!

    http://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Thomas_Book_Near_Death.html?id=kbiGjKJl4D4C
    The Thomas Book Near Death: A Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus (Google eBook)

    (If you will click on the blue writing, "Preview this book" you may well be able to read over half of it. I highly recommend beginning at page 107 or any later page where he describes the life of Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua as he saw it in his NDE and later meditative state)!!!
     
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    Thanks so much. I'll certainly have a look.
     
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    I believe you will be impressed....here is what he was shown about one of his better past lives:

    The Thomas Book Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus, Bruce Fraser MacDonald Ph. D.

    Page 27
    He writes with astonishing honesty and humility about his past life as a monk of some type. He says that during that life he seemed to hate women....hate everybody really....and ended up burned at the stake!!!!

    If this is merely some aspect of our subconscious that Dr. MacDonald reached through NDE plus meditation....it sure does increase his level of creativity....because his book is one of the ones that I plan to read and re-read and give to my daughter....when she is perhaps 18 and able to handle the cognitive dissonance that it will certainly produce!!
     
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    What Force could be more mystwerious, higher in authority, greater than the sum total of one's individual life experience, and open to the educational process which includes all one's school teachers that the Force behind the ever unfolding next frame of Reality that sires the Truth that can also be imaged inside man's mind?
     
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    I plan to purchase the book very soon.
     
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    I don't think it makes a really important difference whether we know or in most cases, even if we do attribute the things he said to him. Except for the one thing he said time and again, that he is Truth, what he did was the important thing.

    At least for the Jews of today and the future, what he did in 32Ad was i,portant so that they can now realuze the Christ was the indwelling of The Elijah in a past life that he had experienced in 800BC:




    Mat 3:16
    And Jesus, (the son of man), when he was baptized, (i.e.; held under by John until a Near Death was experienced), went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens (of the mind) were opened unto him, (in this ritual of Plerosis), and he saw the Spirit of God, (inside his Unconscious mind, i.e.; Truth, opening the door of past memories), descending, (as a great light rushing down through a tunnel reaching up to heaven above).

    Mat 3:17
    And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This, (now), is my, beloved Son, (the immortal Elijah, the ONLYson, born again and begotten son), in whom I am well pleased.


    1 Kings 19:10 And he, (The Elijah), said: 'I have been very jealous for the LORD, the God of hosts; for the children of Israel have forsaken Thy covenant, thrown down Thine altars, and slain Thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.'
     
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    Yes,...
    This idea is very very important today.

    Islam is rising up and once again interested in espousing its teachings to Christians.
    The muslim leaders believe that they have the come back and effective responses to anything and everything that the Christian might muster against what Mohammed wrote in the Koran.
    But their stated disbelief in Jesus as the son of God is directly challanged by the testimony of the earliests apostles of Christ:

    John 1:12
    But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

    This is one point which christiandom must learn to focus upon and bring Islam into the Christ.
     
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    Not really.
     
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    Perhaps John, you might be more impressed by a near death experience account from our time period in language more understandable to us?

    http://www.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/92.html

     
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    Forgive me here. I don't mean to be snubby, but I just can't be impressed by any near death experience.

    For one, I assume that most of these are simply lies for added attention/telling others what they want to hear. If not, I really can't put stock into any "experience" generated by a brain that is being starved of oxygen. Give me a brain that is rich in oxygen and lacks disease or mental illness, that is not incapacitated or under tremendous stress that produces an out of body experience and I might be impressed.

    That experience that you posted reads like fan-fiction.
     
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    LOL

    John impressed by anything but his staunch denials of anything besides his own nonsense,... hahahhaaa..

    What people miss about these near death expreiences isn;t that the happen andthe people who experience them are so unusualy enthusiastic and affected thereafter by them.

    I saw Bill Mahr the other night.
    That Neurologists who was written up in Time magazine was the topic od discussion.
    That doctor claimed he had proof ,for himself, at least, that heaven exists.
    Mahr and a physicist on the panel mocked the episode as mere hallucination.

    But the important thing they did not bring up or consider is that in thousands of such NDE, all the people have the EXACT same "hallucination."

    That is remarkable, indeed.
     
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    The words are true.
    The source is the son of God.

    People have said this to others throughout the ages.

    But you doubt this and really ask how could this be?

    The answer is that the bible writers all wrote dictation.
    The source of the message in every case was coming from the deep seated ancient of ancient inside the Kingdom within the mind of the scribe.

    The son of God is the everlasting genetically reproduced Unconscious mind inside the writer, which quietly whispers the thoughts that are finally set down in scripture.
    Though that scribe dies, the human Unconscious reappears, resurrected in every birth as it is Born Again and added to the Collective Unconscious mind of Humanity.
     
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    Really? You have documented, emperical, testable, repeatable instances of THOUSANDS of people that have the EXACT same hallucination?

    Doubtful, unless you are talking about the Holocaust deniers.


    Save your appeal to numbers for something you can actually demonstrate.
     
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    OK John, I can see why that particular one might not be the most impressive to you but did you know that at this time OBE's can be induced essentially under laboratory conditions:


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers06.html
    The Trigger of Gravity

    Dr. James Winnery's NDE research
     

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