Did Trump handle the Iran crisis correctly?

For all those who claim he is a 'warmonger' I wonder that they're thinking now when he cancelled the attacks over casualties and launched a cyber attack instead?

 

Are you certain it was actually his decision?

 

I think he caused the crisis, breaking the Iran agreement started the fire. Where it goes from here only time will tell.

 

Hahaha. Has trump handled anything correctly is the question.

 

Firstly, welcome to this forum. I think you will enjoy it here.

Secondly, I agree. There was no crisis until the Israeli influenced (1)Trump, Bolton & Pompeo broke the Nuclear Deal, imposed draconian sanctions and sent tons of military hardware onto Iran's doorstep setting the stage for disaster.

While Israel's right wing regime is doing all it can to foment a US war against Iran (another war for Israel), our real allies are both strongly opposed to & perplexed at the reckless behavior of America's current administration.



(1) "How Netanyahu Pulls Trump’s Strings"
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/15/how-netanyahu-pulls-trumps-strings/

EXCERPTS "Since Sept. 18, when the two men met in New York around the United Nations General Assembly, Netanyahu has been pulling Trump’s strings on almost every foreign policy issue.

Trump further showed that he is following Netanyahu’s marching orders with the extremist speech about Iran on Friday, essentially repeating all the Israeli propaganda lines against Iran and burning whatever bridges remained toward a meaningful diplomatic approach.

Although dressing up his capitulation to Netanyahu in tough-guy phrasing, Trump is doing what most U.S. politicians do – they grovel before Bibi Netanyahu."CONTINUED

 

Regardless of what the President thought about the agreement, it just further exacerbated issues with Iran by abrogating it.

 

He may have postponed the attacks for now but provoked the matter in the first place. So now he's a "hero" for avoiding the violence that he tried to provoke. Interesting how the right wing evaluates his political strategies.

 

From all accounts, yes.

 

How exactly did he provoke the Iranians into mining neutral ships?

 

Iranians did not mine ships.

 

Oh COME ON!

 

I think Trump could have handled it better.

Getting out of the Iran deal or not i think it's unwise to play brinksmanship unless you are really willing to fight.

We need to be in a dialogue with Iran but it does need to be from a position of strength. We certainly should be making demands of them but at the same time we have to have things to offer as well.

What does Iran want?

 

The pyromaniac firefighter once again comes to the rescue, in the nick of time, of course.

Btw. welcome.

 

Huh? THEY HAD A DEAL. Trump decided to tear it up, reneging on an American commitment. He went rogue. The Iranian regime is essentially run by the Shia equivalent of the Saudi hardliners in control of the holy sites. They are a bunch of nasty bastards, but they were adhering to the deal.

Meanwhile both Israel and the Saudis are mortal enemies of Iran, and it just so happens they are the Dear Leader's good buds, Jared's too.

 

So you put economic sanctions on someone and this justifies bombing neutral vessels?

 

Yes and using the money to fund the Houthis and Hezbollah whilst biding their time to restart their programme?

 

So only Trump can retaliate like he did when he broke America's pledge and unilaterally imposed additional sanctions. For some reason, trumpettes are mind boggled by the notion that Iran just won't capitulate and be a good little evil empire, like North Korea, the KSA, Russia and China.

 

You mean funding fellow shia oppressed minorities in sunni lands? Gee, imagine them defending their sect, exactly like they have been been doing since the mid 7th century. Perhaps you didn't notice. Nuance being what it is and all.

 

He was smart enough not to kill innocent people. Now he should end the sanctions.

 

Again, economic sanction vs BOMBING! One if legitimate the other isn't. Why are you so fond of the Iranian theocratic dictatorship?

 

Whose being oppressed in Syria and Lebanon? What oppression justifies the Houthis trying to take over Yemen and allow Iran to cut both the Straits of Hormuz and the Suez Canal?

 

Do you have any clue at all about sectarian divisions in the middle east? It seems there are good kinds and bad kinds of oppression in your book. Not surprising the good kind is when you think it serves your own perspective of geopolitics, which of itself, appears to be dramatically lacking in both breadth and depth.

 

I'm not fond of them at all. But I do realize that they are one of the oldest civilizations on the planet, that they have been enemies of the sunni nations for 1400+ years.

And I find it amazing that the iranians would be so incompetent that they couldn't blow up a tanker with limpet mines. Its almost as if the operation wasn't designed to actually sink the ships, merely put on a show. And I sure as hell wouldn't put it past the Israelis or the Saudis to false flag the operation.

Fact is trump screwed the pooch on Iran, because he took his cue from his really good buddies, BiBi and MBS and flipped the bird to the other signatories of the deal. But you wouldn't understand how easily manipulated your Dear Leader can be, nor how ignorant he actually is. That would totally destroy your faith in Trump - a man of high dungeon and low morality.

 

Barrack Obama had 8 years to work out a solution and that crappy deal was the best he could come up with. I think most people agree that the sanctions played a role in getting some kind of deal and all that money didn't hurt his efforts either. Trump never thought it was a good deal or that Iran would honor all the terms and a lot of Americans agree with him, and a lot don't. Trump is President though and he has made some moves in this area so instead of pronouncing it a failure in the early stages I think we might wait and see how it plays out. If it hasn't worked at the end of his 8 years then the next President can take a shot at it.

As for false flag operations, I don't think the attacks were that. how would the US have reacted to an actual sinking vs some relatively minor damage? I think Iran was just trying to make a statement of possibilities but there was little actual threat in their actions.

 

He did. Regardless of what Trump thought of it the agreement was accomplishing its primary purpose - preventing enrichment of uranium for weapons. The IAEA and US officials confirmed that Iran was in compliance.

So Trump tore up the agreement and now Iran is increasing enrichment again.

He can't hold a candle to Obama in terms of negotiation.