Having seen many examples over many years of aluminum airplanes being cut, pierced, and otherwise severely damaged by steel hangar columns, I have no problem seeing an aluminum airframe shredded by the steel structure of the towers.
The NIST since they claim to be making and official report about it, but they do mention the importance of the information in three places, though they do not provide it. But I emailed Richard Gage about it in 2007 and he responded saying it would appear on their website in the future then nothing and I went to see him in 2008. But ALL structural engineers should be able to figure this out. How strong does the bottom of a 1000+ foot skyscraper have to be? And 50 of them have been constructed around the world since 9/11. psik
Right but here we have 2 planes fully (as in 100%) penetrating the steel walls of the twin towers, not the walls destroying the planes outside and preventing them from penetrating the steel walls. I know a plane penetrated the wall of the Empire State building in 1945 but that's a completely different structure and it was a different kind of plane. Anyway for me this is a very questionable anomaly.
Well then as noted NIST's agenda was to support the official narrative not to investigate so it's quite understandable that they didn't address it. I agree engineers at AE911T should have addressed the issue. Perhaps rather than contact Gage about it since you didn't get a satisfactory response, you might want to try someone else, such as Tony Szamboti. He is a member of this forum so you might be able to contact him via this forum or he can direct you to someone who is willing to discuss it with you. For me it's not a major issue in comparison to many other issues that have been exposed.
The penetration of these alleged aircraft into the WTC becomes even more questionable when one considers the bank angle the pictures show..that would mean the wings would contact 8 horizontal floors direct on and slice through them....now that is totally impossible...also the fuselage being 20 feet diameter would contact at least 2 of the horizontal floors and slice into them..again...impossible....
We have communicated: http://the911forum.freeforums.org/hardfire-debate-t259.html http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...e-17+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=ubuntu psik
The penetration of these alleged aircraft into the WTC becomes even more questionable when one considers the bank angle the pictures show..that would mean the wings would contact 8 horizontal floors direct on and slice through them....now that is totally impossible...also the fuselage being 20 feet diameter would contact at least 2 of the horizontal floors and slice into them..again...impossible
Try finding where he has asked about the information himself or said how the mass distribution would affect collapse time due to the Conservation of Momentum. psik
There were thousands of people who saw the planes hit the world trade center buildings. There are videos of the perpetrators boarding the planes. And this is just SOME of the solid evidence. There is Osama Bin Laden who claimed responsibility for the planning of the attacks. There is also evidence of his plans for attacking the WTC buildings.
Here is a very good article/study that debunks all of your claims. http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/ http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/
What we do NOT have is an accurate picture/video of the strike on the North Tower. We have the Naudet brothers video, but I am highly suspicious of that being a forgery. We also have a fairly compelling analysis, I will have to dig around to try to find it, that at least the North Tower strike zone was prepared for that. Missing bolts and pieces. Yes, the Empire State Building and WTC towers were 2 vastly different structures. With the 2 foot spacing on the windows, the tower structure closely resembled a shredder for the airplane at 350 knots. We know a modified Boeing struck the South tower, but exactly what hit the North tower is difficult to determine. Most of those who saw it and called in to NYPD reported the craft as being smaller than an airliner. The one shot I saw years ago, long since removed from the internet, agreed with that description--too small to be an airliner.
Correct, especially the second plane was broadcast live. No there are aren't any videos of any perpetrators boarding the planes. This is what there is and it's highly dubious: http://www.consensus911.org/point-video-1/ http://www.consensus911.org/point-video-2/ The first is solid evidence that planes crashed into the twin towers. The second is far from "solid". There is also a video that shows Bin Laden denying that he had anything to do with 9/11. Allegedly. As far as I know, those "plans" were never been made public. So the above implies you never changed your mind about 9/11. That is the thread topic.
The Popular Mechanics article(s) are a regurgitation of mostly early NIST claims that even NIST abandoned. http://www1.ae911truth.org/faqs/676-debunking-popular-mechanics.html
I am not talking about aircraft hitting buildings or who the perps were. I am talking about analyzing the physics of the top 13% of a skyscraper falling straight down and destroying the bottom 85% in less than 30 seconds. The structure had to be designed to hold itself up in the first place so the designers had to determine the distributions of mass in steel and concrete. That type of information must apply to every skyscraper in the world. If computer simulations of the climate can be done to 100 years in the future and provide significant data why can't collapses of man made objects be done for less than one hour? It only took 4 months for a professor and his students to make a 50 ft. model of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in 1940, so why hasn't this been solved in SIXTEEN YEARS? psik
This is why so many are married to the official 9/11 mythology. They hear that some well known magazine "debunked conspiracy theories", haven't studied the subject on any reasonable level and I doubt even read the article then generalize that it "debunks ALL my claims". A simple read of the threads I started in this section of the forum reveals that the heart of MY "claims" are that the official story is a coverup based on lies and pseudo science that in sum it adds up to a massive fraud. Examples: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.458597/ http://www.politicalforum.com/index...mission-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.495859/ And those are just 2 examples. Although the first thread (the NIST scam) contains one article written by an expert that reveals the Popular Mechanics article for what it really is, it is far from the focus of the thread. The majority of it has nothing to do with Popular Mechanics and the article doesn't even get into the many NIST issues discussed in the thread. The second thread (the 9/11 Commission and the 9/11 Commission Report scam) has absolutely nothing to do with Popular Mechanics. So to say there is a "very good article/study that debunks all of [my] claims" is just sheer nonsense based on ignorance of the facts and a total lack of understanding of the many issues I've posted in this forum. I strongly suggest you read the many posts I've written in this section of the forum Chris BEFORE you post such silly nonsense. Then there's the bottom line, this thread is not about "debunking" anything, it's clearly about whether posters have changed their minds about 9/11 and if they did, a brief description explaining why, that's it, pretty simple.
Dude, don't airliners have seats? Didn't that liner have more than 200? So why don't we have pictures of seats from the crash? Search that article for seats? When people talk a lot but don't mention the obvious it is Twilight Zone Time. psik
It had a lot more than just seats. You could take all the allegedly recovered debris from all 4 airplanes and they will just about fill up the back of a small pickup truck. Each 767 plane weighed approximately 400,000 lbs fully loaded and 757 approximately 200,000 lbs. So lets say they were all half empty, perhaps weighing in at about 225,000 lbs average to be very conservative. That's a total of about 1 million lbs for all 4. So if you take away the 2 planes that hit the towers because they merged with the buildings, there's still about 1/2 million lbs of plane parts for the Pentagon & Shanksville incidents, a majority of which is unaccounted for. That's because the official story sounds like a Rod Serling creation.
I see Mr. Gamolon that you've been pretty active in another forum defending NIST's scam as legitimate but you disappear for long periods when a challenge from me gets too uncomfortable for you. This has happened a few times that I can recall. I know you're lurking and I'm not letting you off the hook so I'll bring back 2 of these challenges. You've been challenged in this thread with this: And more importantly, I asked you this several times in other threads and you also disappeared for a long period of time without ever answering (sorry I don't remember where I asked first):
The "thousands of people who saw the planes hit the world trade center buildings"...yeah they THINK they saw this event...just like at the movies...but the actual facts do not support your contention. OBL denied responsibility for the WTC attacks, and was never on the FBI or any police enforcement wanted lists, why?
I dont know if i would be in the believed it at first group or did not believe it at first group so I will let you decide where i fit in here from the facts. The very first day when it happened since it was the worst tragedy ever since Pearl Harbour and we were lied to about that event on who was really behind it all,I did not believe it for a second and that is because of the JFK assassination. Knowing how our government lied to us for decades about the JFK assassination and the media still lies about it today and our corrupt school system brainwashed us all with their lies and propaganda and covered it up for over 3 decades,because of that,when 9/11 happened I said to myself-I dont believe a word of this,I think our government is behind the whole *******n thing. I had my suspecions.However for the first three years I was not aware of the facts so even though deep down inside,I knew there had to be more to it than the official explanation,since I did not know any of the facts about the case other than what the government presented so I just went along with the official line and did not try and convince people about it since the only thing i had to by is their version of events so i remained quiet even though I had a feeling it was a CIA operation same as with JFK. It wasnt till 3 years later that I finally did become aware of the facts though when a friend of mine loaned me alex jones tape-9/11 the road to tyranny.That was the proof i needed to prove what I suspected to be true.The after looking more into it because of that,it was a couple months later when i then came across 9/11 mysteries. After that one,I knew beyond a doubt,that the official story was B.S and that is was indeed a CIA operation as i suspected not learning about the mossad connection as well until few years after that.
you will never get anywhere with this 9/11 official conspiracy theory apologist.she defends ALL the official version of the governments events no matter HOW absurd they are.I bet she even thinks oswald killed JFK and there was no conspiracy on that either as well considering how she believes EVERYTHING the government tells her. trust me,she is not worth the effort,she cant deal with pesky facts the new england cheatriots have tainted a sport and created the biggest scandal in sports history ever since the black sox scandal,she cant stand toe to toe in that debate and come to grips with that little reality so you really think you will get her to look at facts that dont go along with the official version of the governments? excellent job of taking her to school that she of course cant accept.lol they never have any answers in their ramblings when you ask that why question on OBL.LOL
Dont waste your breath.sadly many vietnam vets to this day are STILL in denial mode that JFK was killed by the CIA because he was going to pull out of vietnam and that Johnson reversed his policys on vietnam that called for a complete withdrawal from there by 1965.Its understandable though.That would be a very hard reality to face coming to grips that you were not fighting for your country at all as we have been led to believe and brainwashed by our schools all these years that wars are always started by the bankers and they were fighting the war for bankers instead.That is never an easy thing to deal with.Many dont want to deal with it that the us government was funding BOTH sides. Many vietnam vets will tell you that was the case though,that they went awol and fled the war because they found out our government was funding both sides.
