Did you know the name Soleimani before last week?

As the title says: Did you know the name Soleimani before last week? Be honest.

I'll start being honest: I didn't know who he was.

My guess: 99% of Americans didn't either, just like 77% can't find Iran on a map.

However, Trump fans come on here with the greatest conviction and proclaim that Soliemani was the greatest terrorist known to mankind (using typical Trumpian exaggeration). They are also 110% sure that he killed 600+ Americans. Why? Because Fox News told them so.

Now, I am not saying he didn't do those things, what I am saying is that very few would have known or cared about it --- until last week.

Second, even if he did those things, how does it make it okay for the US to assassinate him? Would it be okay for Iraq to assassinate GWB, because his orders, based ion lies, killed 10,000s of their innocent countrymen?

Food for thought.

 

Isn't the point of government to delegate responsibility to specialists? I'm told all the time that we need the expertise of drug regulators to protect us from dangerous pharmaceuticals. I'm told all the time that we need financial regulators to protect us from dangerous firms. I'm told all the time that we need education regulators to protect us from dangerous...educators?

But we aren't supposed to have military specialists that assess and regulate militant threats?

It wasn't Fox news that determined Salami was a threat. It was the same government that you trust to protect you from bad drugs, bad businesses, bad thoughts...Whatever it is you expect the government to do for you.

 

"Dangerous.. educators"? LOL! The personal slight is, however, noted.

There is a difference between government protecting citizens from threats through regulations, or through assassinating people. The latter should NEVER be the business of government.

As to specialists: Why did those specialist's recommendations lead to the assassination of Soleimani under GWB, or Obama? Because the person who finally pulls the trigger, i.e. the CIC, makes a difference. I bet you, if Trump had not abandoned the JCPOA, we would not be at the brink of war, and 176 people on an Ukrainian airplane would still be alive. Decisions have consequences...

 

I have heard of him and am glad trump did something about this monster

 

I had never heard Soleimani's name nor did I know who he was. But -- Another question to ask -- why did our government pick out Soleimani to kill in our war against terrorism? Did he miss attending Sunday School? Another question -- why did the Iranians give him such a large funeral? Was he a homeless unknown that garnered a lot of pity?

 

Limbaugh read incomplete obituaries from "news" sources that were written decades ago. The guy was known as a major enemy combatant years ago who was responsible for hundreds of American deaths.
Are you implying otherwise? If so, were you equally as upset when Obama killed hundreds of innocents with his repeated drone strikes?

 

You mean THIS Saleimani?
By Mary Fanning and Alan Jones | June 15, 2019

New information regarding the September 11, 2012 attacks on the U.S. diplomatic outpost and CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya and on the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt has been brought forward by former U.S. military personnel who were on duty that fateful night.

Several of these former U.S. service members who witnessed the unfolding events that night reveal that the attackers in Benghazi were led by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force, under the command of Iranian General Qassem Suleimani.


“Qassem Suleimani, a fanatical Islamic revolutionary, has rapidly become one of the world’s top terrorist suspects, as well as a powerful and sinister force within Iran” according to The Telegraph.

U.S. officials knew that the Quds Force was coordinating and leading the attacks in Benghazi, according to several well-placed sources.

U.S. military forces were ordered not to track or to pursue the Benghazi attackers, former U.S. military personnel confirmed.

According to Kenneth R. Timmerman, the Benghazi attack was funded with hard cash in the form of Euros smuggled into Libya from Malaysia for the Iranian Quds Force.

https://theamericanreport.org/2019/...-americans-us-military-ordered-to-stand-down/

 

You can go back to the forum history with the search function, I have criticized Obama's use of drone strikes many times.

Now, back to the question: Did YOU know who Soleimani was before last week?

 

I would normally respond to the first question you asked but It seems pointless because your argument is flawed, completely.

By stating that "fox news told them so", you demonstrated that this isn't really a serious question but just another desperate attempt to find another way to be critical of the Trump administration.

It seems like your suggesting that Fox news sent an email to the Military saying

"this guy is bad news, you should take him out"
and they said "who the hell is that"?
"He's bad, take him out"
"ok then, thanks for the heads up fox & friends, we're on it"
"boom"

The two scoops complaint had more merit than this.

In summary, I didn't know his name, nor did I know the names of any of the people killed in previous drone strikes, its not my job to know.

 

So why did Obama assassinate Bin Laden? Was that OK? Lefties said it was but now it’s a bad thing?

 

No, I don's spend my time studying ME terrorists until it is announced by my government that they have assumed room temperature. At that point in time, I have a beer and move on to re-runs of The Office.
Sorry if the death of this scumbag saddened you.

 

Good question. I was aware of the dude but only because I have a buddy who lost soldiers to IED’s in Afghanistan and looked into what he told me. He was an SFOD-A engineer so I figured he had some idea what he was talking about.

Anyway, several days ago, before this hit, when a PF member claimed Iranians hadn’t killed Americans I knew that claim to be false. I’m sure the are a lot of US service members active and retired/discharged that are glad this guy isn’t a threat anymore. As far as a replacement, if he was as good as Soliemani he would be the dead one and Soliemani would now have the job.

Others have already covered much of the other relevant stuff. From the past reporting on the guy in the media to the silliness that because we don’t know someone’s name they don’t deserve punishment.

Also, if we are going to say the US is guilty because we are involved in another country’s business, well, this guy was, too. Just because he lived a little closer to a land he wanted to rule with an iron fist doesn’t make him right.

 

Had heard his name many times over the years, as have most Americans who keep up with current events. At a certain point, though, the individual names are replaced by "ME Fanatic" in a sea of them, so asking people to recall a specific foreign name in that environment, and if they don't they are being manipulated into partisanship or even hypocrisy, is disingenuous.

It's like doing taxes as an accountant or lawyer and forgetting the name/number of this or that Schedule, IRS publication, interpretive ruling, etc. Then when recalled, "Oh yeah, that one." Doesn't mean one wasn't familiar with the specific thing due to not being able to name it or recall it off the top of one's head.

 

Terrorism by it's very nature is meant to be anonymous for the most part. The nations that sponsor it use such proxies for the same reason. The people who orchestrate it do the same- to avoid meeting the same fate as Soleimani once identified. We have intelligence services so that we do know who these people are, and they do not tell the public what they know- because that is the same as telling the enemy. Making everything public would be a very stupid thing to do; even to congress- foolish to lose your advantage just to satisfy some jackass that couldn't keep his mouth shut for five minutes.

As for the bash on Fox.... anyone who can look at FOX, CNN and MSNBC comparatively and does not recognize who is spreading the fertilizer has got to be choosing to spread the fertilizer themselves, or has abdicated their own judgment and can't think for themselves.

Most all media is pro one side or the other- but Fox does bring in democrats and a variety of people with opposing views from the other side; they get to make their case to any of the variety of hosts. We've seen it over and over- and they rarely can support their case when the evidence is not pre-filtered to do so, as it is on the other networks. FOX does report news that is unfavorable to the president, as well as positive news. The others- either never mention the positives or put some kind of spin in to make them negatives. The bias, the intent to mislead and deceive the public to serve a political agenda is so thick, so rank, it tends to make independent views think a stench has permeated the room. Only the addicted buy what they serve up, and the number of such people continues to dwindle.

That's why FOX has been the most-watched cable news for 71 straight months. People aren't as dumb as the dems think they are, and the leftist media think they are.
Fox ended 2019 with the biggest prime time ratings in it's 23 year history. Balance and fact is still more popular than bias and BS.

 

They came. They saw. He's dead.

 

What personal slight? What's the purpose of the regulation of education? It's to keep it from being bad, right?

I'll bet you're really fired up over the number of people who die from malaria after government banned DDT.

Life and death is always the business of government. That's their excuse.

Decisions have consequences. Water is wet. News at 11. The decision to allow him to practice his behavior also had consequences. You admitted before you had no idea what those consequences were. Do you know what they are now?

 

Everyone says he was Iran’s #2 man and in charge of their Department of Terrorism.

He was beloved by all Iranians for trying to destabilize the Middle East through terrorism.

 

Who was really in charge? Was it the guy in charge of the guns, or the guy in charge of the god? Pretty sure the god didn't make the Ayatollah bullet proof.

 

Excellent use of a drone. My taxes at work.

 

A reasonable post.

Mind you, I didn't mean that Soleimani didn't deserve punishment because the average American didn't know him. My post was intended to show two things:

1) He probably wasn't very important since most people didn't know him, at least he wasn't the world's top terrorist, like Trump claimed. Bin Laden was the world's top terrorist, and everybody knew him.
2) Most posters just parrot some notion that Soleimani deserved to be dead without actually knowing anything about him, or Iran in general, other than what is spoonfed to them by politicians and the media.

Knowledge in the US about the Middle East is frighteningly low. Yet, people with little knowledge vote for politicians who then make life and death decisions about people in other countries across the globe. The problem of this kind of thinking probably never sinks in, unless the roles are reversed, and the US is at the receiving end of assassinations. It might happen some day, especially when assassinations become accepted modus operandi in global politics.

 

Can't kill a guy because of his history of killing and dismembering 600 Americans to include the murders in Benghazi. Baghdad had the very same fingerprints that Suleimani's previous attacks on embassies, including his people forcing the turnout of a mob to lay siege to diplomatic outposts. If he was known to be planning an attack in Tehran, Trump would have been as negligent in Baghdad as Obama was in Benghazi if he didn't take out Suleimani. Even the attendees of the classified presentation wouldn't be told all of the facts. A very few people would have known about Suleimani's plans ,,, so, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I'm open to there being evidence of a plan and our military not wanting to disclose the details at this point.

 

Nope. But I fully admit that foreign affairs is the weakest spot in my political knowledge.

 

never heard of him,

 

Never heard of him, until we assassinated him!!

 

I didn't know the name MS13 until mid 2015.