Difference between Trump and Obama

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

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    Obama

    Obama worked on developing and passing the ACA from Jan 2009, through March 2010

    • July 2009: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and a group of Democrats from the House of Representatives reveal their plan for overhauling the health-care system. It’s called H.R. 3962, the Affordable Health Care for America Act.
    • August 25, 2009: Massachusetts senator Ted Kennedy, a leading supporter of health-care reform, dies and puts the Senate Democrats’ 60-seat supermajority required to pass a piece of legislation at risk.
    • September 24, 2009: Democrat Paul Kirk is appointed interim senator from Massachusetts, which temporarily restores the Democrats’ filibuster-proof 60th vote.
    • November 7, 2009: In the House of Representatives, 219 Democrats and one Republican vote for the Affordable Health Care for America Act, and 39 Democrats and 176 Republicans vote against it.
    • December 24, 2009: In the Senate, 60 Democrats vote for the Senate’s version of the bill, called America’s Healthy Future Act, whose lead author is senator Max Baucus of California. Thirty-nine Republicans vote against the bill, and one Republican senator, Jim Bunning, does not vote.
    • January 2010: In the Senate, Scott Brown, a Republican, wins the special election in Massachusetts to finish out the remaining term of US senator Ted Kennedy, a Democrat. Brown campaigned heavily against the health-care law and won an upset victory in a state that consistently votes in favor of the Democratic party.
    • In January 2010, eHealth published research conducted by Opinion Research highlighting public perceptions of health-care reform.
    • March 11, 2010: Now lacking the 60th vote needed to pass the bill, Senate Democrats decide to use budget reconciliation in order to get to one bill approved by the House and the Senate. The use of budget reconciliation only requires 51 Senators to vote in favor of the bill in order for it to go to the president’s desk for signature.
    • March 21, 2010: The Senate’s version of the health-care plan is approved by the House in a 219-212 vote. All Republicans and 34 Democrats vote against the plan.
    • March 23, 2010: President Obama signs the Affordable Care Act into law.
    https://resources.ehealthinsurance.com/affordable-care-act/history-timeline-affordable-care-act-aca


    Trump

    March 2017: Trump gives up after a little over 60 days; blames his son-in-law and the Democrats, and plans to allow the health care system to fail rather than governing.
     
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    You have to admit though, since decades prior to the idea of the ACA first being spawned, it has been the goal of the far left to get to single payer.
     
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    I believe Nixon wanted a single-payer system. So did Teddy Roosevelt.

    One of the big reasons for the cost of medicine, is the medical industry having to deal with hundreds of insurance companies, each with their own regulations. A retiring nurse once told me that when she started, patient care to paperwork was 80/20. Now it is reversed; 80% of her time was spent dealing with insurance instead of patients.
     
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    News to me.

    Sources?

    Remember buddy, I'm no partisan.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did a quick search RE: Nixon... Seems legit. I'll follow up. I'll search Teddy too, but Ted Kennedy keeps coming up.
     
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    But my point is that compared to Obama, Trump is a quitter. What a weenie. He hardly even tried.

    Oh I did my best for a few days so let's move on?!?!? What a turd.

    He claims the systems is going to collapse and he WANTS to let that happen. Screw the people! Right?
     
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    This should not surprise anyone who is familiar with trump's track record.
     
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    Trump has always been a loser and a quitter. 3 failed marriages and 4 bankruptcies attest to that fact and now he has his 2nd failure as a politician with the 1st being his immigration fiasco. Next up his budget and the wall will be failures too.
     
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    Nixon made alot of mistakes. The EPA was the biggest. He should have known that once in the door, Democrats would use the EPA to regulate puddles of water on private property and claim a mandate to slow the rise in the oceans and to heal our corner of the earth by shipping industrial production, jobs and pollution to China.

    Medical Coders in physicians offices make between $34,000 and $43,000 per year. In a hospital, they make between $44,000 and $57,000 per year. In order to get paid by Medicare, Medicaid or private insurance, the paperwork has to be done properly and "properly" varies. There are 6 chairs and workstations, not counting the receptionist, to support 3 orthopedic surgeons in the hospital-attached office of the doctor who did my knee replacement. Thanks to that skilled team of professional paper shufflers, everyone got paid for a complete knee replacement, $18,000 out the door, without a dime coming out of my pocket.
     
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    It took over a year for Obamacare to be passed, 10 months for it to get through the House and it wasn't at all the bill that Pelosi had envisioned. She wanted to imprison people who didn't sign up and didn't pay the fine. If she had her way, there would have been millions fewer uninsured. They might have been bankrupt, but they would go down with insurance. Without the jail time, removed in the Senate, the Democrats surrendered the basic principle of birthing a totalitarian state by forcing their control of people's health under threat of incarceration.
     
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    Which puts you, Surfer Joe, and Hillary Clinton in the same boat. You got beat by a man with 3 failed marriages and 4 bankruptcies.

    No wonder y'all now ankle bite for revenge, I'll never understand what losing to such a "loser" is like but, this is obviously hard for you snowflakes.
     
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    When she wasn't woman enough to come out and concede.......I knew then who the real quitter was.
     
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    the amazing thing is some on here try to defend him, gotta figure they are kremlin basement guys or somesuch.
     
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    Screw the people ! No way pal. We been hearing from every single Democrat for the past month how great Obamacare is . No way should it be repealed because Barack said it is the greatest thing since the wheel. Well enjoy it , and let me know in a year how great it is and how it's Trump's fault .
     
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    The difference between Obama and Trump?? One is a real American and the other is a commie muslim that tried to destroy the country.
     
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    Nope the primary reason is all the easy cures within reach have been found. Aspirin and Penicillin were easy, we are now checking various proteins and the like from creatures found in the deep ocean depths or the depths of jungle rain forests. Finding, isolating, testing, and synthesizing these things is enormously time consuming and tremendously expensive. Add to that the fact that US testing regimes are more severe and more lengthy than anywhere else in the world - the upside being that things like thalidomide babies are much rarer events but the downside is new medicines are much more costly.
     
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    Apparently your Snowflake-in-Chief is whining because his son-in-law decided to go skiing in Aspen instead being there to hold his tiny hand when TrumpCare crashed and burned on the House floor.
     
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    Bookmarked for the future when Trump quits...again!
     
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    In which case you should have no problem whatsoever providing the quotes from Pelosi, Schumer and the other 250 odd Dems in Congress, right?

    So let's see what you have!
     
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    Given that 100% of the research, development and approval costs are TAX DEDUCTIBLE the actual cost to Big Pharma is negligible.
     
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    Dead wrong.
     
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    It'll be a fun eight years.
     
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    Oh please ! Didn't you hear them all gloating yesterday about what a big win for the American people . Since when do Democrats care about America and Americans?
     
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    It failed because Trump and Republicans had no message on healthcare, nothing to sell. This is why they can't govern. They have no ideas or solutions.

    They are there to lobby for billionaires and big business, and nothing else. So it's easy for them to stand on the sidelines and lie and fearmonger and complain about everything. But once they get control and actually have to govern, they can't bevause then the people see what their true agenda is.
     
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    Trump will be lucky to survive the summer. You guys better start emotionally preparing to learn he's a traitor and is going to jail.
     
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