Difference between Trump and Obama

So why does it cost twice as much without health insurance? Going off that logic it should be less....

 

Spoken like a true blue birther. You must have been crushed when Trump finally admitted that Obama was born in the USA.

 

Those are the prices set by the medical service providers to defend themselves from the greedy HMO's failures to pay them.

If you wanted to pay for a medical service privately you could probably negotiate it down to half the price as long as you paid up front depending on the provider, the actual service and the location.

 

And all true birthers also complained about his Christian pastor that made some rather controversial comments. It's gets all so confusing trying to keep up what he is.

 

It's not unlike hospital emergency rooms. Often they have two, the regular one and the one for employee injuries. The bills in each are hugely different. What costs $100 in the workers is $200 in the regular emergency room. Why the difference? Workman's comp. The hospital knows it's going to get paid for workman's comp injuries whereas since they can not refuse patients in the regular emergency room they know they will only get paid by half the patients and the other half, without insurance, won't or can't pay.

 

And even those with insurance the ER knows that they will be stiffed by the greedy HMO's which is why they are forced to overcharge.

 

really? Barter like a third world country? Now your makin stuff up. And no, given that everyone is MANDATED to have health insurance, clinics are not fixing their botton line by screwing people without insurance, totally illogical. They overcharge because they can get away with it.

 

The income....or payroll...or both....or separate entitlement...or federal gas tax for example part is what you need to explain. This will cost trillions, where do you plan to get that money?

What does it matter where the money is coming from is what you're asking there. Not only does that reveal typical liberal thinking.....but you're quite adamant on the SP system, you've obviously given it much thought...as far as a policy is concerned. What you obviously haven't looked into extensively....and again it exposes you for the uber liberal you are....is how do we pay for it. Now....rather than ask yet another diatribe of questions....might you answer the questions I asked above. Would you raise income taxes? Add a payroll tax? Both. Adopt a gas tax? A energy usage tax?

See all the ?'s after the words, those are making an inquiry. Seeking answers. Got any?

 

20% of the population is already covered by the Medicare Part A 2.9% payroll tax (87% and the remaining 13% comes from Medicare premiums).

If we want to cover the other 80% of the population under Medicare we would need to increase the payroll tax to about 15%. That tax increase would be OFFSET by taxpayers no longer having to pay exorbitant private health insurance premiums because the Medicare premiums are under $200 p.m.

Medicare Part B can be remediated by removing the insane Republican ban on negotiating drug prices with Big Pharma and that will dramatically reduce them to levels much closer to what we see in other nations.

Medicare Part D can be modified to only cover medical providers without shareholders so as to eliminate the spiralling cost increases caused by the greed of the Wall Street Casino Bosses. To cite an example the cancer drug Revlimid costs about $6000 a month in the USA but the generic equivalent costs about $300 a month overseas.

That you IGNORE the trillions that will be SAVED by NOT having to pay the incompetent private health insurers and they bloated overheads says volumes.

 

I'm not a birther. Trump got that (and his religion - Trump believes in a talking snake, a talking donkey, and a talking dead guy) 100% wrong.

 

The Islamic texts say that us non-Muslims are such scum that we deserve nothing more than brutal torture for 99.9999999+% of our existence (counting the "after-life"), so Trump is 100% correct when he said "Islam hates us".

But to be fair, Jesus hates us just as much as Allah/Mohammad do ("the only way to the father is through me") - so Jesus is just as hateful and bigoted as Allah/Mohammad/Muslims/ISIS are. Jesus won't let Gandhi into heaven (according to many Biblical verses), and has never said he would in 2000 years and counting, so Jesus is full of hatred.

 

Trump has ford investing1.2 billion in Michigan auto plants ... Obama sends billions to Iran. There is a big difference .

 

And this^^^^has exactly what to do with the bat crap crazy birther movement?

 

Well Trump got the birther movement WRONG, but I was trying to defend him by saying that he got "Islam hates us" 100% right - and that OBAMA got Islam wrong. So Trump and Obama both get some stuff right, and some stuff wrong. You seem to think that Trump is worse than Obama.

 

Not just russians trolls. The stormfronters are out in full force.

 

The main difference between Trump and Obama. Obama has a powerful intellect and trump doesn't.

 

Trump is a gangster, a swindler, a pathological liar and a fraud and I would never ascribe that combination of traits and characteristics to his predecessor or for that matter, to any other past POTUS.

 

So competition ends? We raise payroll taxes to 15%(how much does that add to the Treasury, DT?)? And everyone working for the health insurance industry today goes away.....is your plan?

Firstly, those of us who prefer to pay an incompetent insurance company rather than an incompetent government single payer nightmare lose that right to do so. The fact that you believe they're incompetent shouldn't matter to those who disagree and even if you implement single payer, I should be able to purchase a supplemental plan as well. You ignore costs, deductibles you don't even discuss. You have the bloated overburdened poorly managed VA as an example of your visions......I don't think the 15% payroll tax will pay for this. Do you?

 

These SP plans include what to do with the hundreds of thousands of employees you're going to unemploy from Aetna to United Health to their subsidiaries?

 

The VA has nothing whatsoever to do with Medicare so that red herring is a non starter.

Why don't you research Medicare Part C first and then get back to me so that we can actually have an INFORMED discussion instead?

 

Try researching Medicare Part C!

 

According to the annual Capital investment survey released thin January American businesses invested "$1,638.6 billion in new and used structures and equipment" in 2015.
While Obama didn't brag about every investment being about him, that would be egotistical and inaccurate, it does leave Trump $1637.4 billion to catch up. Bragging about every investment is the sign of an insecure person not a leader.

 

=darn....this Blackbeard just decimated my erred and amateur argument.

 

Why not fix the VA system afore submitting SP. You'd have more integrity. Currently, you've none.

=Darn.....this Blackbeard guy is making me look silly.

 

Ironic!

Only in what passes for your dreams, wet or otherwise.

That you know nothing whatsoever about Medicare Part C says volumes.

It is also a de facto concession on your part so your surrender has been accepted.

Have a nice day!