Disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi --Why we should care

Oh,now it's "speculation", not "liberal speculation"...

And this "speculation" is forcing the hands of the Turks and the Saudis. They would love to hear your comforting words that it is "worthless". Better get on the phone right away!

 

Nitpicking? That says a lot of how weak your arguments are. This 'speculation' isn't really doing anything between the Turks and Saudis, they aren't going to act or not act without evidence, that's just liberal pipe dreams, like the whole Kavanaugh farce liberals cooked up...

 

We should care because Saudi Arabian authorities may be to blame and the US government has been cultivating a relationship with Saudi Arabia primarily to confront Iran and moderate the effects of OPEC.

Critics of US foreign policy would like to see the US-Saudi relationship cast asunder, Saudi confrontation of Iran and OPEC moderation weakened.

I don't know why it would be beneficial for Saudi Arabia not to receive US support in confronting Iran or moderating OPEC, but evidently if this is what Trump wants it must be opposed.

Ultimately, assassinating a journalist for his criticism of the regime is always a bad move and nothing anyone should support, the Magnitsky sanctions against Russia were imposed on Russian authorities for torturing to death a journalist, I'd expect something similar in this case. The journalist in this case wasn't apparently tortured to death, its not even clear he was killed, but if he was, similar sanctions are appropriate.

 

The word "progressive" was, for many years, what supporters and members of the Communist Party called themselves. So it muddies the waters to identify the ideals of "classical liberalism" with "progressivism".

Furthermore, 'classical liberalism' is, if not opposed to, at least in tension with, much of what the modern Left supports. Many conservatives identify themselves as 'classical liberals'.

In the struggle to extend the ideas of rational law, freedom of expression, a free press, etc over the whole world, it's not a good idea to arbitrarily exclude any political tendency. It's in the interests of both liberals and conservatives to see these values advance everywhere.

 

Thank you, it enables me to see things others are purposely blind to

 

And congress's approval rating is down to what these days? A big whopping 17%.

 

And what are the Conspiracy theorists batting lately? .00001?

 

Trump is such an open book, he's told the Saudis exactly how to respond.

Saudi source: Reconciliation with Iran possible if sanctions imposed

As global pressure mounts on Saudi Arabia to hold the kingdom responsible over the fate of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, a new report indicates that Riyadh is preparing a list of countermeasures, including reconciliation with Iran, to push back against possible punishments.

Saudi Arabia’s al-Arabiya news network reported Sunday that the kingdom’s officials had thought of “over 30 measures” as part of their preventive plan.

The report, written by the network’s General Manager Turki Aldakhil, stated: “Imposing any type of sanctions on Saudi Arabia by the West will cause the kingdom to resort to other options.”

Iran realignment, warmer Russia ties

Aldakhil warned that his country would even consider giving a military base to Russia in Tabuk, northwest of Saudi Arabia, a strategic area near Syria, Israel, Lebanon and Iraq.

“At a time where Hamas and Hezbollah have turned from enemies into friends, getting this close to Russia will lead to a closeness to Iran and maybe even a reconciliation with it,” he added.

The report came shortly after US President Donald Trump said Riyadh would suffer “severe consequences” if it turned out that it was behind the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi.

Khashoggi is believed to have been murdered by the Riyadh regime’s death squads after entering the Saudi consulate in the Turkish city of Istanbul on October 2.

Driving up oil prices

Besides realignment with Iran, Saudi Arabia would react by manipulating oil prices, doing away with major US weapons deals and reconsidering its intelligence ties with Washington, the report added.

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https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018...ia-Iran-reconciliation-Khashoggi-US-sanctions
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Far as I'm concerned, they can take their threats and shove them. Trump can stop telling us about their denials of their clear wrong-doing, as though we should care that they've decided to take a page out of Putin's playbook.

 

$4 or higher gas by December, What a nice Christmas present to help out with all that travel to see the family. Thank you , Donnie and Republicans. It won't be here by November 6, but use your imagination as to how much you'll be paying to heat your house soon and think of the Republican Trumptards and lickspittles in their nice warm homes and electric cars and how you're paying for Trump's idiocy. Above all, stop grabbing your ankles and handing Vaseline to these Republicans who have made it more than clear that you are dirt to them. It's unseemly beyond credence to any rational being.

 

Traitor Bush's pals in Saudi Arabia sure are a bunch of blood thirsty murderers.

 

Here is the problem I have with the "audio". The Turks said they had a video and not it's changed to an "audio recording". I don't trust the Turks on their word anymore than I trust the Saudis. We will find out in a few weeks probably. To Turkey's defense the Saudis said that there would be hell to pay if they were punished for anything involving the death of the journalist. It's strange that they would say that.

 

What about her" Do you know her?

 

You see very little

The US and saudi arabia have a relationship that is much more important than what may have happended to a single jihai advocate in a foreign country

 

The famous audio recording, allegedly made on an Apple watch and transferred to the journalist's smartphone, seems to be a sham. Apple smart watches don't transfer recorded audio automatically to phone, as far as I know. How can anyone transfer an audio recording his own death - or, rather, when?

The dissident journalist is (or was) not a valiant warrior for democracy and human rights, as we've been led to believe. He is (until "was" is proven) a militant Islamist, a prominent member of the Muslim Brotherhood - mortal enemy of the Saudi royal family. He is also very close to Turkey's ruling elites, themselves allied with the Muslim Brotherhood - which explains the outrage of Turkey's leaders at his disappearance and their efforts to incriminate the Saudis.

His journalistic activity is probably not the reason for his disappearance. More likely the Saudis were concerned with the man's ties to the not so friendly Turkish government and his political activity - disguised as a struggle for democracy - to overthrow regimes in Muslim countries, including KSA.

https://spectator.us/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi/

 

I am willing to consider the possibility that the Muslim Brotherhood journalist was murdered

But so what?

Its none of our business

 

Indeed.

Understanding how a person with such unsavory views had been able not only to secure a job at the Washington Post, but to be mistaken for a shining beacon for democracy and human rights on the (Capitol) hill, is your business.

 

Sorry, but that's bullcrap!

The fact is that the US is always in politics as a moral apostle in opposing countries, highlighting and blaming, even accusing ... but if a country is a friend, like Saudi Arabia does, it ignores it and twitches shy and silent!

You can call it Realpolitik and of course I do not live in a fantasy world ... but it is precisely this practice of US policy that makes the moral indignation of the US towards unloved countries simply unbelievable, ridiculous and insignificant.
If anyone in the US next accuses Iran of using Sharia, but does not do it in Saudi Arabia, it loses all credibility! Roger that?

 

It was probably a reporter's speculation after learning the fiancee had the journalist's mobile phone and learned he also had an Apple Watch. Tech experts shot that theory down saying bluetooth devices would not transfer information from one device to another that far away.

 

Without facts it's all speculation at this point.

 

Was it 11 ?

It was the Democrats 1965 Immigration Reform Act that issued all of these Al Qaeda terrorist visas.

It was liberal political correctness that allowed these terrorist to board commercial aircraft on the morning of 9-11-01.

Let see if you can remember who wants to flood America with more Islamist jihadist refugees ?

 

What a mindless comment. No one knows any of the people discussed on this forum except in an extremely rare instance.

Your comment ranks right up there with "Prove the moon around Pluto is not made of green cheese"

 

It was a simple yes or no question. I would take it that you don't.

 

Do you walk to work or take your lunch ? A simple yes or no question

 

Islamist jihadist refugees from Saudia Arabia I believe the answer is Trump and Kushner. Or was Saudi Arabia on his list of countries?

 

Here's Trump doubling down on defending the murderous Saudis, just as he has defended Vlad the Bad over his misdeeds.

Trump touts Saudi King's denial in journalist's disappearance

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump on Monday repeatedly highlighted the Saudi King's denial of involvement in the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi, at one point offering up an alternative theory that "rogue killers," rather than agents of the Saudi regime, were involved.

Trump also said he was dispatching Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to meet with King Salman.

"It wasn't like there was a question in his mind. The denial was very strong," Trump told reporters outside the White House, adding that the King "firmly denied any knowledge" of what happened to Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist and dissident.

... https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics/trump-saudi-king-tweet/index.html

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Clear echoes of:

Trump: Putin's denial strong; doubt cast on Russian interference by Compiled by Democrat-Gazette staff from wire reports | July 17, 2018 at 4:30 a.m.

HELSINKI -- President Donald Trump cast doubt on the conclusion of U.S. intelligence agencies that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election, saying after his summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki on Monday that the autocrat gave him a "very powerful" denial.

After Putin said his government played no role in trying to sabotage the U.S. election, Trump offered no push-back and went on to condemn the Justice Department's investigation of Russian interference as "a disaster for our country."


Trump's meeting with Putin was his first time sharing the international stage with a man he has described as an important U.S. competitor but whom he has also praised as a strong, effective leader.

Concluding their first formal one-on-one summit Monday, Trump said his message regarding the Russian interference "was a message best delivered in person" during the meeting, in which the two leaders "spent a great deal of time" discussing the Kremlin's alleged elections interference. Putin insisted publicly that the "Russian state has never interfered and is not going to interfere in internal American affairs," and Trump declined to dispute his assertions, instead saying that Putin "has an interesting idea" about the issue of interference.

Trump addressed Russian meddling in the election as he stood next to Putin at a joint news conference after their talks in the Finnish capital ended. Of their private conversation in Helsinki about the interference, Trump said, "I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.

"He just said it's not Russia. I will say this: I don't see any reason why it would be," Trump said.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/jul/17/trump-putin-s-denial-strong-20180717-1/

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Seriously, %*&# TRUMP!