Do Americans Support Impeaching President Trump?

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  1. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    “The Democrats have only allowed their version of the story out”......Laughable.


    Trump and his media lackeys are blaring 24/7/365 to get their bs narrative out. What a crock of crap that their story is not getting out. It’s out every day on every news channel playing video tapes of Trump’s unhinged press conferences, his rallys and showing his tweets.

    AM radio hacks fill the airwaves 24/7 with attacks on anyone who dares to challenge or accuse him. The largest 24 hour cable news network is full of Trump Flunkies every night at prime time. Right wing rag newspapers like the NY Post, Washington Examiner and dozens of others are defending him along with huge internet websites puking out Trump’s message every day.

    The problem for Trump and his dwindling fan base is that more and more Americans are realizing daily that Trump and his message are a steaming crock of crap and that he is a lying crooked scumbag.
     
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    Now seemed like a good time to update this post with the latest polling. First, a look at the party affiliation polling.

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    Compared to the last update, there has been a 0.7% decrease in support for impeachment amongst Democrats and a 2.1% decrease in support for impeachment amongst Republicans. On the other hand, there has been a 2% increase in support for impeachment amongst Independents. And I still believe that should support for impeachment reach 50% amongst Independents, then we see a snowball effect on impeachment.

    Now, 538 has been tracking all along and now allows you to divide the polling data between those who support the impeachment inquiry and those who support the actual impeachment and removal of trump. First, the impeachment inquiry.

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    Support for the impeachment process continues to sit significantly (or at least outside of the margin of error) above 50%. Moreover, 53.1% is the highest mark measured by this tracker, although it is interesting to note that it virtually matches the 52.9% seen 18 days ago, so one could argue that we are effectively at a plateau right now.

    Now for the Polls asking if Trump should be impeached or impeached and removed.

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    Again, we see a consistent and significant (or at least outside the margin of error) plurality of voters who support impeaching Trump, at a minimum. The percentage in support is near the high mark seen on October 14th when it was 48.4%. But something that is interesting to note is that while support for impeachment has been effectively stable for a couple of weeks, the percentage of those who do not support impeachment has continued to decrease. On October 13th, those who do not support impeachment was 43.7%. It is now 43.5%.

    Overall, it appears like American voters are in a bit of a holding pattern and waiting for more information. Most support the impeachment inquiry and a plurality support the actual impeachment of trump. Independents continue to increase their support and those who oppose impeachment are steadily retreating. It is important to note that all of these polls would have taken place before Bill Taylor's smoking gun testimony could have permeated very much, so it will be interesting to see if that plays a role in the polling data.
     
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    I’m an independent. I’ve never been polled but I generally let politicians know my thoughts. I called the Speaker’s office and made it clear this independent wants the house to impeach. Because I want a senate trial. Be careful what you wish for from independents.
     
  4. MrTLegal

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    Should I infer from your post that you think the Senate Trial will be a good thing for Trump?
     
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    Yes. But I’m not emotionally attached to it going either way and it would be a great show and learning experience for everyone. I don’t see any actual trial happening though. It’s all to influence public opinion. Bread and circuses.
     
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    Well, that's too bad you feel this way... I can assure you many other independents (c'est moi) feel an actual trial is important in this case, even if the Senate is the jury. I feel what Trump did is seemingly an incredible abuse of power, even in some of the non worst-case-scenarios...

    Cannot believe people are comparing this to what Slick Willie did (impeachment wise)... He did some marginally bad things, but they don't register on any meter in comparison...
     
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    I'm not sure about that... the votes are 90% set before any information comes out.... but we have so much now.... the only thing that could make it worse, in my opinion, would be for Trump to finally have his "A Few Good Men" moment and simply say "You're ******n right I did" when somebody asks him if he withheld the aid for investigations into the Bidens. He'd do it too, if there was a good enough questioner at Chopper talk....

    But the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming without that..

    - He withheld the aid - Ukraine knew about it as early as early August.
    - He asked for investigations - On the phone call and on the WH driveway
    - Mulvaney confirmed the aid was held up for the 2016 server investigation
    - Taylor said Sondland said everything was dependent on investigation announcements.

    I dunno man... it's all there for those willing to see it...
     
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    Why do you think a Senate trial would be good for Trump?
     
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    I'll let him answer that question, because I wouldn't be able to..

    Breaking news... this would have been big news before Ukraine... Now? Not so sure

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    Thoughts??
     
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    Good to see. I have to imagine that the Trump DOJ will appeal the decision to the en banc circuit court because they long ago realized that the best way to defend Trump was to keep every effort at exposing him locked in court appeals.
     
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    Remember the Clinton "reset" button with the Russians??

    I imagine Trump has an "appeal" button on his desk... whenever Cippilone walks in with the day's bad news in court, Trump just shushes Pat and points to the "appeal" button...
     
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    I’m just content to let it play out. If he’s guilty so be it. If not, fine. We’ll see. But I prefer to hear all sides before pronouncing him guilty. Unless there is a trial it’s all one sided. And that’s the way most people prefer it.

    I didn’t approve of Willy’s impeachment either. It’s a waste of time and energy. But that’s the point...
     
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    Any time someone accused of something gets a trial it’s a good thing. I believe a trial would expose a lot of shady and illegal behavior by prominent Democrats.
     
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    Such as ?? That's a very loaded statement without some backup..
     
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    There are a plethora of threads on here dealing with anonymous sources, timelines that don’t jive, and unorthodox behavior by those who seek to take Trump out.

    All you have to do is think critically about the ideology of the far left. The end justifies the means is the simple way to describe it. Desperate people do desperate things and these people passed desperate 2 years ago. There have been so many lies, fabrications, unsubstantiated allegations, and cries of “wolf” it just isn’t terribly interesting anymore.

    A trial would be something new and more concrete. Allegations would have to be substantiated, anonymous sources would have little standing, and testimony could be cross examined. If Dems were comfortable with this, it would be happening now. The fact they aren’t and it isn’t leads me to believe accusers are not as pure as the wind driven snow.

    Lastly, I think it’s silly to believe all chicanery is on one side. History leads me to believe they are all BSing us.
     
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    So, nothing..... M'kay..

    Chicanery and illegal are 2 different things..

    We have the call record and the fact that the aid was held up by one person with no legitimate reason... not sure what you'd need to even make up here..

    It's all going to come to light.. once the D's' have made their case without idiotic R sit ins and wasting time in public hearings..
     
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    Nobody has anything concrete at this point. That’s why I want a trial. But I probably won’t get it.

    For sake of discussion, what will be your emotional response if impeachment doesn’t happen? Will you be angry at Dems, blame Reps, or just accept it was all a show?
     
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    More is better.
     
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    Just my 2 cents.
    I'm 99% sure he will be impeached by the House. No matter what happens with the vote I will be satisfied they tried to do the right thing.
    I would expect the Senate to be similar to the Clinton vote - 50/50.
     
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    I appreciate that. Just out of curiosity, what will be your reaction if the house folds? Anger at Dems, Reps, or acceptance that there weren’t grounds?
     
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    I think I have seen enough to be convinced Trump is guilty of soliciting help from a foreign country to affect a US election.
    So I would be upset with both parties that they didn't fulfill their responsibilities.
    But I would blame the Dems the most because they have the votes.
     
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    More fake news.

    There's no evidence that Trump solicited "help from a foreign country to affect a US election."
     
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    Fair enough. I appreciate your candor.

    I agree that if the Dems punt it looks pretty bad for them after all the bluster. I’m glad I don’t have Pelosi’s job. Between a rock and a hard place... danged if you do, danged if you don’t.

    On the other hand, if I’m wrong and a trial convinced me Trump was not acting in good faith, I would expect the senate to do their duty. And I would expect consequences for any other violation by any other player in this game as well. Regardless of party affiliation. Problem with that is we would end up with an anarchy because there would be no rulers left! Bummer. :)
     
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    If you can read this and say he didn't ask for anything I'll just write you off as having a reading disorder.
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    2016 Politifact Lie of the Year
     

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