Do Conservatives care more about the U.S. and its freedom then Liberals do?

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  1. 1AmericansView

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    There have been political battles going on for generations now. And because of this the country that our founding fathers built and that our ancestors died for, is being destroyed. I’ve heard that Republicans care more about big corporations, than they do about the country. So I’ve decided to do a lot of research on this matter.

    We have people who are dying for this country. A country that is being destroyed from the inside out. We have people who are willing to risk their lives. For the belief and love of what our Founding Fathers wanted for this country.
    So now my question for you is: do Liberals care less about our country and our freedom then Conservatives?

    One of the most patriotic things you can do is join the Military and be willing to do what is needed for your country and the freedoms which we were given.
    So let’s look at some numbers here. I’ve compared 42 states. They are either strong conservative, or strong liberal states.

    The numbers really are not all that surprising when you look at the type of laws that the states pass, such as California. They have tried to reward people for breaking the law. Such as giving illegal aliens money that should be going to California citizens.

    Then you have Arizona, which is trying to protect its citizens and stop the infiltration of illegal aliens; a group of people that are invading this country - and certain groups want to do nothing about it.

    So lets take a look: out of the 42 states, 21 are conservative and 21 are liberal.
    I compared the numbers overall, as well as by population.

    Now lets look at California and Arizona again.
    California, the state that rewards people for breaking our laws, has .456 per 10K people joining the U.S. military and willing to defend our country.
    Arizona, the state that has tried to stop the infiltration of our country has 5.569 per 10K people joining the US Military.
    So the difference between California and Arizona is 5 people for every 10K.

    Now the overall data for this study was:

    joining the US Military from the 50 states: .........................119,773
    from states commonly considered Republican (red)..............50,061
    from states commonly considered Democrat (blue)..............46,129
    from states commonly considered evenly mixed (purple).......23,583

    So even the overall number is higher for Republican states than for Democrat states. The state that had the least amount of people join was Utah, a Republican state at 113. But that state also had 5.795 out of 10K people joining.
    The state with the most was Texas a Republican state at 15,594 and that made it 6.822 for every 10K people joining.
    The state that had the least amount of people per 10K was Michigan followed by California in close second. Michigan had .431 so for every 20K people you had less than 1 person joining in Michigan
    Out of the 42 states I looked at, 7 states had less than one person for every 10k people.

    Why is it that the people who are willing to protect everything that is great about this country are coming more from conservative states, then from liberal states?

    In short, why does it seem that liberals claim to be as patriotic as conservatives, but when it comes down to it - the numbers don't confirm it?

    Why aren't liberals as willing to lay their lives on the line for the country that gave them the freedom they take for granted?

    to see the statistics click here
     
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    They talk the talk but......real patriots sign up.
     
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    Lets assume that the best measure of sanity is believing in the Easter bunny.
    Now, I've studied the issue. I've crunched the numbers. I've compared the numbers across the various states.
    The states that tend to believe in the easter bunny the most happen to be.....
     
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    Real patriots try to improve the lives of people in this country...they don't sign up for the military who's sole purpose seems to be to protect and expand the profits of corporations. Corporations who would, and usually do, sell out this country for a bigger profit when available.
     
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    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One can definitely argue the intentions of those who join the military are pure. But the purity stems more from wanting a future in a time where they are hard to find, more so than patriotic duty. If America was threatened by a legitimate power, you would see those numbers shoot through the roof from all states, red or blue, and to that I have no doubt. Also, your "stats" don't take into account how many of those joining from places such as Texas, that are illegals or the sons and daughters of illegals, themselves. I have found that most Mexicans hold a strange allegiance to America, and only want those of European decent to appreciate that allegiance. It is like 2 siblings, sure they fight, sometimes often, but when threatened by an outside factor, they fight as one. All Mexicans, not Mexican Americans, but actual Mexicans, were outraged over 9/11, more so than ANY of our European cousins abroad. Such things should be taken into account, as we don't want true allies insulted, while we praise the support of people(Europe) who would gladly see our nation fall.
     
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    This has nothing about who believes what. This has everything to do with who actually signs up.

    The states that are Red. have more people signing up to serve this country that they love.

    But I'm sure that the states that believe in the Easter Bunny believe that the Easter bunny should give them money for nothing. so that would be blue... so its more then likely that those states have a lower percentage of people joining.
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    Looks like there's less than a 4% difference in the totals between red and blue and you think that's significant?
     
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    Well, someone has to work on the social issues, what with your definition of Republican patriotism -- Turn a blind eye to the issues and bullheadedly run into death like the political pawns they really are... :ignore:
     
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    When you look at it Per Capita it is a big difference. Red states have 113.368 Per 10k

    Where Blue states have less then 85 per 10K
     
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    You mean the Social issues as breaking Federal law. to help and aid the illegal aliens? to steal tax money?

    You mean that type of social issues?
     
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    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Futures, in the day and age of globalism, are harder to find in rural areas than heavily populated areas. Fallow the money.
     
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    Now, since you're talking about the US Founding Fathers....... what was one thing they hated? Oh right, professional militaries.

    Another thing they hated? Oh right, intervention in foreign countries not specifically for direct defence.
     
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    Well it sure seems the military is more conservative than liberal. I think the liberals in the military are more likely to have signed up for a JOB.
     
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    There are a couple of fallacies to point out. Most military recruitment occurs in the poorer parts of the country, like the Southeast and Arizona, which typically tend to be Republican. Many people (republicans, democrats, indies) enroll into the military out of opportunity rather than patriotism.

    However, the significant fallacy is that people are signing up to "defend" our country. Unfortunately, I can't remember when the last time our country was in jeopardy. Has it ever been since our birth?

    Unfortunately we have had incidents like Pearl Harbor and 9/11 which require some kind of response. However, our response to 9/11 was an offensive response of empire building.

    It is just my opinion, but the Department of Defense should be change to Department of Offense.
     
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    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please. I'm from Idaho, have literally dozens of people I know and love serving as we speak, and they all signed up for a future. The praise of patriotism is a bonus, but wasn't the deciding factor for any. I see no rich kids signing up, from blue OR red states.
     
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    OK, lets accept that...then the states that are red have more ignorant people signing up for something that they don't understand. they have more people who are easily misled with fancy commercials of clean, pressed uniformed men carrying swords...They have more people who, while they may "love their country" are too stupid to realize the best way to 'serve" their country is to try to fight against corporate greed....not to carry a gun on foreign soil to ensure that corporate greed wins.
     
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    The last time was WW2 when 5/8 of the military had to be conscripted. Where was the conservative patriotism then!
     
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    Yes.......period.
     
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    Insulting the intentions of service men and women just makes you look like a monster. As for what the military is being used for, globalism is bigger than simply "corporate greed". Chinese and Russian companies have gotten more contracts, from the actions of our military, than US corporations. Our citizens are being taxed to death, while our sons and daughters die, for a global pipe dream. Corporate greed is the nature of that beast. State greed is where the treason lies.
     
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    Intentions are naive. Reality is more important. Hurting the feelings of people of very little concern.
     
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    I've mentioned this many times. Why is it that we send 18 year olds to die for our freedoms, when we cannot even take responsibility for our own survival in the most prosperous country on earth?

    It is a screwed up people who demand entitlements while sending 18 year olds to die for them.

    This country will die at its own hands. If you really want a free country, stop looking to the government for your personal needs. It is not rocket science people.
     
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    When the revolt comes, and it will, I want the less-violent result of law enforcement and military standing side by side with the electorate, verses at war with the electorate in defense of the traitors. They are your neighbors, and the biggest victims of the global regime. They are taxed to death and blown up. You are just taxed to death.
     
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    Even then, American was not in jeopardy and didn't need defending. There is a strong case for intervening after Pearl Harbor, but America itself was not in jeopardy from the Axis of Evil. European Democracy was at stake.
     
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    We don't "send" 18 year olds to die. They sign up. While at 18 they may be too stupid to understand right and wrong (wrong being signing up for the military), their parents should be helping them out. Yet, we have a pretty good portion of this country...ADULTS mind you, that allow their kids, even encourage them, to sign up to fight wars for Exxon.
     
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    True...and Europe was really not in any danger from being ruled by Hitler. We did not enter the war to stop Hitler. We entered the war to stop the USSR from destroying Hitler and taking over significant portions of Europe.
     

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