Do conservatives still respect the police?

It appears that after the January 6th insurrection, Republican conservatives don't admire and respect the police like they used to.
Remember when the Republican response to a Black person being shot/killed by the police was "They shouldn't have resisted/ran away/talked back etc?" They nearly always supported the police.
Now, I sense a change. Do you folks notice a difference too?
Please feel free to add your opinion.

 

I’ve said it multiple times that if you threaten senators the way they did on Jan 6th they should expect to be shot. More conservatives are consistent with this ideal than you are portraying. The real ones who flipped on the talking points are democrats who think this was justified because of a clear threat yet still to this day argue that blacks who posed a clear threat or Kyle Rittenhouse’s attackers that posed a clear threat didn’t deserve what they got.

 

I think lots of other conservatives would disagree with you. But, thank you, for responding.

 

How many conservatives do you personally know? As in, how many are in your close-knit personal friends?

I guess I'm trying to say that what you think conservatives are like is probably what you either hear from liberal friends and sources when it comes to what THEY think conservatives are like.

 

A change? Can you explain that a little more? Why do you sense a change?

 

I sense a change in how conservatives didn't for the most part, support the police on January 6th, 2021.
They supported the insurrectionists.

 

I know very few conservatives; the ones I know are not close friends. My knowledge of how they think about certain issues comes from political message boards. I believe people are more honest on anonymous message boards than they are face to face.
My liberal friends don't control my thoughts or beliefs.

 

See, at least you're honest about it - you're essentially saying you live in a liberal bubble.

I disagree with you regarding message boards - I don't think people are honest there so much as they are, I dunno, typing with the dial up to 11.

I guess I could say that if I based my view of liberals off of this board, all liberals supported rioting, looting, burning down stores and taking over city blocks and renaming them Chaz or somesuch.

 

not what many conservative here are saying, but I agree, there are many that think different, same with libs.... not everyone in a group is to be judged by the least amoung them

 

Generally, conservatives support law and order, punishment for crimes, and the police. I don't think that has changed at all.

However, I think I might be able to understand why you think that it's changed. And I think it might be because you are conflating multiple different issues that really should be looked at individually. Let me try to explain.

First of all, not all conservatives are "whacky" conservatives any more than thinking that all liberals are Antifa members. The vast majority are balanced in their thoughts, good citizens who just happen to hold conservative values.

Second, it is perfectly legitimate to disagree on certain terms that are rather cavalierly bandied about by the other side. Words like "insurrection" or "terrorism" as it pertains to Jan. 6th.

And third, a thinking conservative may differentiate between a justifiable homicide by law enforcement and an unjustifiable homicide by law enforcement.

So here is my somewhat conservative view on January 6th. It was a "riot", not an "insurrection". "Common crimes" were committed by the mob, not "terrorism". The rioters were wrong to assault the police at the Capitol, and those who did should be punished. It is unfortunate that there were not more police at the scene, better prepared to repulse the crowd. As a conservative, I would fully support the police using whatever numbers it took and reasonable amounts of force to keep the crowd back. At the same time, the shooting of Ashli Babbitt, a 5-2, 115 lb, unarmed woman was not justified, and it would not have been deemed to be justified in any other venue.

These are distinctions we may make, but it doesn't mean that we don't support law enforcement or law and order.

My two cents ....

 

I felt like he very well felt threatened....and as I posted from the first...I give him the benefit of the doubt. I've been hearing that no investigation took place at all. I thought that strange. My understanding is that aways an investigation when a police officer shoots someone. So all I ask is that same rules apply.

 

I think most rank and file conservatives don't support what happened on Jan 6th. But imagine if one of the people in the insurrection was running away from the police. Do I think the conservative would stop the insurgent? No. But that's fair. Let the cop do their jobs. It's probably not because they're a 'bad' conservative, but you never know. That's the problem with how conservatives are being viewed. Non-conservatives don't know who the 'good' ones are and unfortunately this is going to be a long and hard conversation that needs to be had. Now imagine someone who supports Jan 6th is running for election and they just so happen to be in the same party. Will the conservative vote for that person? I think the answer is yes because 'can't let the other side win'. And I think that's what's scary. The conversation has to be had, but there's strong reasons not to.

 

I do respect the local police. FBI is a corruptesd and broken institution though. Not much respect for them.

I see capital police more like security guards. They don't serve the public so no, they are not on the same level of respect.

 

No one elected will support rioting into the capital if that's what you mean. They, as an elected official, would be on the other end of that incident.

 

From what I've seen, the RW likes to praise state and local LEOs, but they don't care at all (or are actively antagonistic against) federal LEOs.

 

More like they support the rioters and think what the people on Jan 6th did was right. That's what I was going for.

 

I'm conservative and I respect the police. I don't see anything mainstream that convinces me otherwise.

This thread is based on a bs narrative

 

Yet we have several threads from conservatives (as well as public comments from RW politicians) defending Babbitt and condemning the officer who shot her as a murderer while also defending, say, the murder of Arbery. Neither side is a stranger to hypocrisy.

 

Thank you for your 2 cents. I disagree with you on the following:
1) What happened on January 6th 2021 was an insurrection. They wanted to overturn the November 2020 election.
2) If Muslims from Afghanistan had did the same thing American citizens did that day, would they be terrorists in your mind? For me they would be.
3) I've seen African-American males killed by police for doing far less than Ashli Babbit was doing. My condolences go out to her family; I wish she hadn't been at the Capitol that day.

 

I don't live in a liberal bubble. If I did I wouldn't come to PF. I don't support rioting, looting or burning down stores. I also don't support taking over city blocks and renaming them Chaz.

 

I'm sure there was an investigation. There was lots of attention on the Ashli Babbit shooting.

 

How many of the conservatives on this site support that? You definitely won’t find a single post from me defending the actions on Jan 6th

 

Do conservatives still respect the police?

This one does.

 

Not from you, no. I'm just saying we see the same sort of hypocrisy on both sides. As for how many on either side? We don't have the exact numbers. Hell, even Trump himself has raised up Babbitt as a martyr, as has conservative media in droves. Claiming that one side does it more than the other is based purely on anecdotes and hunches.

 

Yeah, I’ll defend Trump where it’s deserved but he’s no hero of mine. He shouldn’t be a hero of anyone who loves our judicial process or our gun rights. Where I’ll defend him is on the border and freedom of speech. His spending was out of control, his attack on guns was so bad he got the NRA to help write up the bump stock ban.